Understanding PTSD: Birth Trauma and Obstetrical Intervention
Ms. Christianna Deichmann, an experienced PPNE (Pre and Perinatal Educator) and Inner Child Journey Process Practitioner will be sharing her profound insights on how therapy can help alleviate trauma-related symptoms, highlighting strategies for recovery and resilience tailored to women and young families. Dr. Snehal Deshpande, a Developmental Therapist and Life Coach, PPNE & the Director of Heartfulness Family Connect Programs will moderate the session, bringing her expertise to guide the discussion.
Transcript:
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okay we are there hi folks good evening good morning and good good evening
good
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morning and good afternoon to my friends who are watching this show from
all over the world heartfulness Wellness extends
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a very warm welcome to all of you joining this show and as we had one
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topic which was PTSD which is postraumatic stress stress depression
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disorder sorry and we found that this topic was very extensive and of
recent I
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graduated and my mentor is here and I thank her for being here I graduated
as
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a ppne and that means it’s a pre and perinatal educator and psychologist
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during this entire journey I realized that BTSD is Big not only in mothers
who
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have recently delivered but also in big babies and that came as a
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big Revelation to me it was like a veil which was removed of my eyes and
that’s
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where I I decided to request my mentor Christiana and I’m honored to
introduce
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her to all of you uh in this show today so welcome Christiana she is by
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profession a crano registered cranos sacral therapist uh she is a pre and
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perinatal educator she is a licensed massage therapist she is also a life
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activation practitioner so this science actually merges this topic merges
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science with spirituality so she integrates cranos sacral therapy massage
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bpn and her somatic practices and she lives in sh shitzville uh Virginia
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her work Embraces today’s movement towards Consciousness and the merging of
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Science and spirituality she’s the director of the education wing of apaa
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that is Association of free and perinatal psychology and health and she
provides instruction to professionals
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and parents for bringing babies into this world her own experience her own
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experiences of birthing two children have sparked her interest in educating
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parents and profession about birth psychology and how the earliest
experiences in life are so
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foundational to defining human potential she interview interviews science
and
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spirituality to help people navigate The Invisible reams of their nervous
system
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their psyche and their soul so that they can make their decisions that will
drive connection to themselves and to the
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world so that is Christiana thank you Christiana for for extend for really
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accepting this invitation and giving us your most valuable time and uh I
look
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forward to having this conversation and cherishing moments with you so this
topic to me came some years back when I
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was reading this book my dear friends it’s a beautiful book which you all
should read it is the body keeps uh the
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score and it is a New York best seller it is Bessel Vander cul and it it
really
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shows us or really deep dwells on this topic of trauma so for me to
understand
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Trauma from an Eastern mindset was a little difficult until I walked the way
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and graduated as a PPN so uh to dellve
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more into the topic today uh Christiana my first question to you would be
what
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is PTSD what is post-traumatic stress disorder and why is it important to
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understand this specifically in relation to birth trauma wow well I just
wanted to thank
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you first Neal that for that lovely introduction and I’ve loved coming to
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know you over the last year and a half I think we’ve developed a deep a
deep bond
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and a friendship as well as a work relationship so I’m excited to be here
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thank you very much uh to answer your question I think we really have to
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understand who we are as individuals and where we come from
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because when we intersect um the spirit realm right our soul body and how it
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comes into form on this planet this is why it’s so important that we we
look at
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Birth for every human being on this on this planet and understand that we
are
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deeply connected to Nature our our anatomy our psychology you know our our
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me our mentalness and we understand that when you walk out
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into nature you know you can often feel restored and refreshed and whole
and at
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peace yes so if we understand that we are intricate linked with nature and
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then we compare where the world is today and how
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mechanical we are are devoid if you will of this sacred respect of our
innate
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connection to Nature then we can really start understanding what trauma is
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because we look at trauma at you know from a textbook standpoint that it’s
you know anything that overwhelms the
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nervous system anything that’s too much too fast too long or not getting
your
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emotional needs met but it it’s it’s really at the
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foundational level trauma is when we are disconnected from our blueprint
from our
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soul from our heart and I know this is what you know is so beautiful about
the
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heartfulness Institute is it gets people to go within and connect to the
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spiritual nature of oursel or the invisible nature that we can’t see or
touch but we can experience
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firsthand so I I see today’s world and that every human being has had
trauma at
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the most foundational level because it is traumatic leaving the spiritual
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realm it is a it’s a her Journey so no matter what like even if
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we have the most nurturing loving environment let’s say a natural birth and
and the mother feels so supported
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and empowered um and the baby’s been born vaginally that is still a very
hardship
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on the baby and the mother because there’s there’s a death and a birth all
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at once anyone who’s witnessed a birth you know you you feel the
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power of this energetic portal if you will that opens up and anyone who’s
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become a mother for the first time understands that something deeply
profound happens to their being when
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they give life and they let go of part of their own life and so there’s
that I mean that
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that is a trauma in that this baby has had a shattering it’s left its inner
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utera world for instance or it’s left its you know seat in the Divine realm
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and here it is you know it has to breathe differently it’s it’s you know
outside of its mother the womb and it
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has to adapt very quickly and then when you add
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on let’s say the environment that’s most common
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place through our birthing rituals today you know just with modern-day
technology and and not I I don’t want to I’m not
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negative about where we are and where how we got here because science and
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technology has helped us so tremendously and it’s part of the story of how
we got
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here because women really wanted they to understand how to improve their
birth
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experiences and when we when we got pain medicine and then we got the the
luxuries of hospitals and we understood
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where germ come from I mean all of this gave birth to our modern day more
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mechanistic our medicalized form of birth and where I think we need to go is
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to understand how do we interweave the spirit essence of our s
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with the scientific advancements that we have and we can it’s it’s very
easy we
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just have to recognize and educate our staff you know our medical
professionals our parents even who have
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forgotten you know how sacred we really are and what nature needs in order
to
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thrive and so maybe that’s what we’re going to talk a little bit about
today is is is how how we can do that but
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right now for sure we have people all over the world I would say everyone
has experienced more than
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just the simple birth trauma of the hero’s journey coming into this world
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but they have to overcome much more with the way we handle babies with the
way we
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um issue medication and painkillers and how we assist births and even our
actual
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Consciousness how a lot of times when the medical staff is working with a
family they’re really busy with their
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own lives or their own to-do list and it’s they’re not dropping into a space
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that’s in their heart you know they’re coming to it from their mind and
it’s simple things that
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we can teach people and and and when they do you’re driving connection
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heartfelt connection between the person that you’re caring for and then the
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family who’s receiving the care and there’s just so much that you know
flourishes and Blossoms and comes to
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life when we have this heartfelt connection with the people that we serve
in the healthcare
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industry it’s an amazing journey for a baby to come into this world yeah and
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even when babuji Maharaj one our Grandmasters from heartfulness he
describes birth as a
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separation the soul feels separated and the entire life the heartfulness
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practices what we have enable us to walk the journey towards a source back
from
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where we have come and here you are also saying that this this is a
separation
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and it is very sacred we have to treat birth and the environment around the
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baby in a very sacred way as a developmental therapist which
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my background is I’ve been practicing and I was looking at children who are
born out of
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problems who have undergone trauma like for us therapists my if you ask me
about
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a couple of years back for me the definition of trauma would have been
C-section baby did not cry immediately
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at Birth uh the mother had some problems so this was you know the the red
flags
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which we see which we really see as developmental therapist but now having
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walked the way into pre and atal education and again as you said and as
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in India we treat the womb garha is a place where the soul or the
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Consciousness evolves so when this journey has been so sacred uh it comes
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to my mind that how can we Define birth trauma in the bracket or in in the
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dimension of free and perinatal psychology that’s such a wonderful question
and I think what you just
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stated one of the key principles of
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this bird psychology recognizes that babies are
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conscious yes and so we we kind of science has it a little bit backwards or
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has in the last few hundred years um they thought that babies didn’t have
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Consciousness you know that Consciousness comes from the brain development
and since babies are so
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underdeveloped and they need a lot of Developmental time that Consciousness
is
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something that emerges you know almost as a hierarchal development of the
brain
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but what you know Mystics and spiritual gurus and teachers you know for eons
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have known and and probably a lot of people come to know through their own
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life’s journey in this remembering right remembering who you are where you
came
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from is that Consciousness is
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infinite it doesn’t have a start or a stop and the womb space this Gara that
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you’re talking about is where this Divine spark an individual can
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individuate you know from this field this unified field of Consciousness and
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then come to experience Consciousness separate from this unified field and
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that’s how you know we we all have our own our Soul’s path our Soul’s
Journey our purpose here in life and our own
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unique gifts so babies are they have Consciousness before they’re even
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conceived you know these we we work all the time with clients and and
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communicating with Spirit babies communicating with babies while in the
womb and of course we have adults you
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know the whole birth psychology itself has a long track record of doing
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regression therapy iies with adults who remember their time in W in the
womb and
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when you can heal any kind of trauma or let’s say a conditional force that
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happened they they go on to thrive because again these experiences in the
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beginning of Life like you said earlier in the introduction our earliest
experiences are what makes the
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hierarchal brain right and what makes our belief system and and how we
interact with the world so
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so that I would birth psychology believes since babies are conscious that
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trauma really is when we don’t recognize this that we don’t recognize that
babies
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are of their own volition initiating birth and that we are really the
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Servants of babies babies are should be treated like royalty
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and even the mother often times you know my job is to educate mothers these
days who haven’t
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been brought up in the traditional sense of how women used to do in ancient
and
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Indigenous times um are indigenous cultures that they are giving up a piece
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of themsel for the baby to come in and it’s a dance it’s very much a Dynamic
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dance between the mother and the baby and when a mother can
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listen at the level of the heart at the level of the soul to her baby she
will
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take a second seat and then the baby knows what to do you know nature knows
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what to do if we can really trust and connect in that so from the standpoint
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of birth psychology trauma is when this Bond between a mother and a baby is
not
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recognized as a a Duo you know with with
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deep Consciousness and in today’s world you know often times women are
women are
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not given the agency to birth they are um you know assisted by the staff or
the
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doctor and the doctor does the birth that’s that’s completely you know out
of
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order and that in in of itself causes trauma and it enables our disempowers
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our children from their own independence and their sense of accomplishment
and
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how they come into the world so there’s a lot of interventions that are you
know take place today that Rob children of
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this and then of course you know you see the world where it is today and a
lot of
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the psychological or mental um illnesses and lack of Health this all
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starts from birth and our relationship with how we come in and how
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we are designed so that I hope answers your question about from the
standpoint of birth psychology what we consider
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trauma absolutely and as a practicing developmental therapist I see lot of
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kids who have autism who have the attention deficit and hyperactive
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disorders children who come to me with sensory processing disorders
essentially
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and that aroused my interest to do the ppna that I wanted to look beyond
what I
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saw at this level I knew that the roots of what I’m seeing now did not
exist now
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it was somewhere as you said when the mother and the father even decided or
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not decided to have a child both ways so sometimes it is an accident that
they
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come to me with and they say okay we didn’t plan the conception so not
planning the conception is again not
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planning the journey for your baby and it’s a very sacred journey and the
bond
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which the parents share when they even think and that’s what even Dai says
that
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it is not about after you conceive it is all about your attitude at the
time of
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conception and before conception so prepare the environment as a mother as a
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father as a family becomes essential if we want to walk into a new world we
see
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that the world has so many um challenges with children and with
relationships as
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we look around and if we want to change the world we really need to change
the bond which the mother father and
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families have with the babies to come in so how do you uh look at this and
what
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are the key benefits of fostering a very strong baby and mother born in very
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early not even mother say I did I did some Garba sscar I tried connecting to
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the baby and talking to the baby but I did that did I give the space to the
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baby to come back to me and connect back so over to you well this is a big
question and you
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brought up really deep topics but let’s see if we can approach this from um
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dodgy I love when he says it’s all about the attitude when you
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conceive and I study hermetics you know this is one of the things that I’ve
been
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fascinated with for the last decade and it it guides um my journey through
this
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life and in the Hermetic um standpoint when we think of Worth to be worthy
it
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actually it means to be prepared and if we go back to this
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saying that you know one of my teachers in cranial sacral therapy John
chitty
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who’s now passed but he you know said that babies are
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royalty and so if you have the king or queen coming to your home right what
are
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you going to do I mean even now like in I live in the United States if the
president you know comes by there’s a
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whole Entourage of you know Secret Service protocols I mean there’s just
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like you can’t even imagine how much preparation and strategy that goes into
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every move that the president makes now do we
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do this for babies I think not you know I even look
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at my own Journey when and how I got pregnant um I wasn’t planning on being
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pregnant I wasn’t even married and I you know in the birth psychology world
there’s a whole imprint
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you know this book that you brought up at the very beginning the body keeps
the score um I didn’t know if I could keep
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the child so there was this abortion ideation and if if we’re saying that a
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soul is conscious and that they can feel the energy and every thought and
emotion
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that’s inside of you because it’s fed to them not only through
neuropeptides you
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know what Candace per dubbed molecules of emotion but there’s an energetic
sense
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to it as well they how would they feel their
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selfworth the first very first threshold of initiation or right of passage
that
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any child has to cross is am I welcome am I
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loved am I safe in this world so these are huge imprints that we
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deal with all the time and and you mentioned you know autism and you know
hyp you know ADHD and there’s so many
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things that are happening to our children you know by the age of 12 in the
United States of America most
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children 60% of children are on some form of medication
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and the majority of that is for you know asthma so we don’t we don’t even
consider that like a
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medication but technically it is because it you know asthma is an irritant
you
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know the lungs are inflamed and this comes from a nervous system
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that a baby has gone through so much Shock
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Trauma that now they’re you know what they’re displaying to the world are
there is the inside world that they
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carry within and so a child that has autism
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not only has you know probably between ultrasounds because if we think about
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babies the the morphogenetic field that a baby develops in is influenced by
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sound and every vibration that we put in and around a mother whether it’s
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electromagnetic fields from 5G you know cell phone all the way to
ultrasound you
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know at the hospital which are constant you know very much part of the
whole protocol because we don’t trust you know
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the body’s ability to to grow babies and because women have so many um risk
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factors these days so there’s a lot of monitoring and interventions that
are used and sometimes unnecessarily but at
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this point where we are in our world you know necessary but it’s
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toxic it’s toxic to their field and it in infuences the
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field and it’s so you’re we’re in a whole world of mess because they say
I’ve even heard
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people you know gut doctors say that by 2035 85% of children will be some
form
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on the spectrum of autism that’s wild that’s scary could you imagine our
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Workforce what the you know gross dtic domestic product or whatever the
output
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of any country is with the population largely
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debilitated so I mean these it brings up really important questions of how
do we connect at a soul level at
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a heart level from the very beginning and that is we have to prepare better
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how we bring children into the world and you know put most all of our
resources
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and it’s been done in countries across the world now you Denmark’s a great
example um are Indian the Scandinavian
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countries they you know they Iceland for instance they put the majority of
their
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resources into the youngest population and by doing so they have people of
good
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health and right now you know in the United States where I live we spend
most of our healthc care money on the elderly
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population instead of investing in in Early Child Development and education
systems
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or even birthing so these you you brought up really great questions I hope
I answered
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it to some degree So when you say that you need to Foster the connection
and when you
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really need to look at how the mother and baby connect with each other U and
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still without you know like even when I have seen my little one Aliza
coming in
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and we had uh a little bit of uh teething issues in the beginning how can
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how does one recognize signs of the PTSD in infants and even mothers because
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sometimes mothers don’t know women don’t know that they are having this
problem
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or they don’t even know that their baby would be having such a problem it’s
a problem of connectivity it’s a problem
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of sometimes they feel overwhelmed sometimes they have recently
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I had uh um I’m giving sessions meditation sessions artfulness
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meditation sessions to a mother of a 4mon old uh who had had issues when
when
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the baby was born and she doesn’t know what to do with the thoughts so in
what way would these Expressions be seen or
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felt wow well another big question
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but babies communicate to us with their bodies they communicate to us with
their
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cries and when I I see it all the time
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that people are just not aware they’re not educated that again babies are
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conscious and sentient and that they have emotions and yeah maybe they’re
the most
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basic emotions but it it’s they’re the key
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emotions am I safe am I loved you know can I do I have the right to have
needs
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and have somebody care for me do I have the right to feel supported these
are
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these are all things that we cover you know in the in the course that you
took about everyone has Universal emotional
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needs and Society has it that babies they they don’t you know they’re not
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conscious so for instance when a baby has a colic constantly you know you’ll
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hear maybe they have a tummy ache or maybe they’re just a fussy baby well
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that baby is trying to tell you about its birth story about what happened
to it in the
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womb and you know our fast-paced life is not
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attuned to the sacredness or the Holiness of human development so the first
thing that you
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can do in order to connect more is connect with yourself number one you
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know connect with yourself through mindfulness practice Mind Body practices
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slowing down the easiest thing is to just breathe we don’t even consciously
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breathe so if we can consciously breathe it three breaths three deep breaths
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resets the nervous system and when a mother is feeling a little
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overwhelmed she can let her baby no I’m feeling overwhelmed right now
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just like as if they’re a real person and they understand her because they
do and and say you know I’m I’m overwhelmed
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right now but it this isn’t your fault this is just me right having my own
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personal feelings you can let that you can let that go and when you have
that
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kind of two-way conversation with your baby whether it’s in the womb whether
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it’s before it’s born or right after the born it takes it takes a lot of
anxiety
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off of Mother’s shoulders when they they recognize that this
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child understands them and really just wants to love
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them but I mean there’s we there’s a lot of Need For Education which is why
you
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know apaa exists and why we have these courses and why you have the courses
on
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heartfulness but we have a lot to cover and we need to educate ourselves on
how
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babies communicate right and what their cries mean because when a baby
cries it
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has a different type of cry you know for different needs and mothers can
come to
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understand what those cries are especially if we understand that babies are
usually if they’ve they’ve got
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physical needs and you’ve you’ve taken care of everything you’ve given it
food you’ve you know changed its diaper it’s
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in you know comfortable clothes or whatnot and it’s still crying then
there’s something emotional
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happening and we have to address the emotional needs of the baby and
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understand understanding that they have a story to tell and that usually
takes at this point you know time a therapist
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to help somebody translate how a baby is communicating but I Envision one
day
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that we have a world where mothers have returned to this understanding that
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birth matters and that the story that happened continues even after they’re
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born and that it takes time for them to heal from that trauma we mentioned
of
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the hero’s journey and all they want to do is share it with somebody and if
somebody’s there to listen and just look
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in their eyes and say oh man I see this this dent in your head like that
must
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have really hurt when you were coming out of me like wow and just giving it
kisses you know
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nice and warm loving kisses and holding their baby at the breast and
looking right into their eyes
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kind of like drinking them in these are all the ways that mothers can not
only help their own
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anxiety um but help help their baby as well and you mentioned about signs
you
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know how do we know that mothers are having postpartum depression or anxiety
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well it it’s there’s lack lack of sleep anytime you feel really frustrated
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and you’re just like overwhelmed and you have anger or you just don’t want
to deal with anything you just want to
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disappear these are all signs that you need more support and that is the
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biggest thing that we need to help with in the postpartum world is in old
times
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you know it it takes a village there’d be a circle of women around a mother
and
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they would mother the mother after she gave birth so she could just focus on
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recovering the outpouring of chi you know like her her life force when she
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gave that life and just focus on her baby and have this team of people
around
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her cooking cleaning doing you know very specific things to her body’s
rituals
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that are helping her restore her body and that for the large part doesn’t
even
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happen today you know our postpartum care is mostly to take your baby out of
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your home in the car to the doctor’s office to get a check on what their
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weight is and if you if you really want my opinion doctors shouldn’t be
making
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house calls to our our littlest po most
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vulnerable population you know like this so that mothers don’t have to
leave this
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sacred Hearth of their home in those first 40 days after birth because
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there’s so much disruption that can happen in the journey just the simple
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journey to go to the doctor’s office in those first few weeks so that it’s
again
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going back and realizing that this is royalty how do we treat
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royalty you know do we make the do we make the Royal people leave their
their Thrones
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and and go out by themselves in you know in the world to do what is
considered a
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mundane task I don’t know usually they have lots of servants
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to do mundane tasks for them hopefully that answers that
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question you’re putting all these things so beautifully and uh the puzzles
which
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our world is facing at present of why this behavior and why is my uh
35:30
schoolgoing child not obedient or why is he more on screen uh I think all
these
35:36
questions would be having answers or they wouldn’t come across as questions
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if we practice good pre and perinatal care and India did have does have a
good
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um good practices I remember when I gave birth to my baby
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that was about 34 years back I was my mother followed these she just put me
36:04
into a room and though I was you know that time protesting that I don’t
want to be in that room so in India women are
36:11
sent back to the moment you know that a woman is pregnant she’s sent back
to a mother’s house and she’s taken care of
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as you said like a Maharani like a queen and everything is taken care
everything is given to her and when the baby comes
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uh uh there is a lovely massage massure who comes and of course now I tell
them
36:31
that massage is a language between the mother and baby but there’s nothing
kept
36:39
back to take care of the baby and the mother but because of modern uh care
and
36:45
modern science walking into the sphere of this um it it seems to be outdated
36:52
you it’s called outdated practices no longer useful but now when we look at
36:58
how the minds have developed because of this so-called technology what we
have
37:03
been using we have to turn back and walk the way and say yes what we were
doing
37:09
to welcome our babies much before was a beautiful way of welcoming them and
making them feel wanted so that is
37:16
something which is so illustrious what you’re talking about so there’s one
question which I have had and this is
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the scandall tets research and how do you think that has influenced the
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current understanding and treatment approaches for PTSD related to birth
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trauma oh man well I I love Kathleen Kindle tacket is brilliant
37:40
I’ve you know heard her on a number of presentations and read some of her
books but she really understood that um in in
37:51
in the United States the DSM you know we were treating postpartum or
post-traumatic stress disorder
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for people who were like you know veterans and then she started to realize
38:03
when she was looking at um you know symptoms that women were showing from
38:09
just breastfeeding struggling with breastfeeding just simple things and I
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remember from my own experience I I couldn’t breastfeed and it was so hard
38:20
it was just heartbreaking because I didn’t understand how my body was
producing
38:29
milk but I couldn’t my baby wouldn’t feed and it and it created so much
Havoc
38:36
between my daughter and I well Kathleen and and I understand now like
38:41
where her research was coming from when a mother isn’t able to breastfeed
or if
38:48
that initial bond between the mother and baby is interrupted then there’s a
whole
38:54
Dynamo or do domino effect excuse excuse me of symptoms that can happen
between
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the baby and the mother and she looked at it and realized wait a second
this is
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just like PTSD whether they would be having flashbacks you know from their
birth
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they would be breaking out into sweats there would be um you know loss of
their
39:20
thyroid for instance which is very common in women that are giving you know
birth these days um they would have
39:28
anxiety or you know just their sleep patterns would be disrupted so then she
39:34
started realizing wait a second there’s so much more happening to our
mothers that’s not even being
39:40
diagnosed because I think that was you know her research
39:46
showed how few women were actually getting even help or even voicing what
39:54
was happening to them because of the way Society is set up it was that a
woman
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should just man up and deal with it and and and not really Express these
40:08
emotions that were happening internally to her even though we’re in these
nuclear family settings and oftentimes
40:16
women giving birth as single parents you know there’s I mean that is
40:21
a big deal in in the United States even in in the bipac community there
there’s
40:27
lots of single parents and women just don’t have enough support so her just
40:33
bringing that awareness and getting birth trauma into the DSM and
40:38
recognizing that women do get PTSD um from birth and it even explained
40:46
how I don’t know if you remember this but there was an out there was a
number of stories back in the 80s and 90s of
40:53
women who would be um murdering their children
40:59
and it’s horrible to think of and of course society would you know
ostracize these women and shame them and be like
41:05
how horrible but people didn’t actually think wait a second how did she get
into
41:11
that psychosis to begin with this is a form of postpartum depression that’s
41:18
stacked on a woman who’s probably had her own childhood trauma and lack of
emotional needs being met and she’s got
41:25
risk factors going into to pregnancy that weren’t even being considered are
41:31
analyzed during the intake and so then when you take a woman who’s for
instance
41:36
had sexual trauma or sexual abuse or any kind of abuse or let’s just say
poverty has
41:43
grown up in poverty and has scarcity imprints and then you they get pregnant
41:49
and there’s a whole hormonal Cascade that happens that creates a lot of
imbalances because their nervous system
41:56
is already basically like a junkie you know they’re addicts to cortisol and
stress hormones
42:04
and they just don’t have enough resilience in their body to take on the a
human being and carry the weight and
42:11
the needs of another human being so then you stack that on their nervous
system
42:17
and you expect them to be like sane people in society that are not only
42:22
sayane but contributing in beautiful ways I don’t think so so then you add a
42:28
woman that not only has you know those risk factors but then they have more
than one
42:33
child and they’re taking care of multiple children I don’t most people
who’ve
42:38
listen here if you’ve gone to an early daycare center and been around the
needs in an
42:46
early daycare center I’m like I admire Early Child Care providers so much
42:53
because of what they deal with day in and day out on their ner n systems and
42:59
in today’s world we have women who are working full-time jobs they’re being
43:04
wives and they’re being mothers and that those are huge jobs on
43:12
any one person and then you put it in the environment where they’re not
doing it with a village they’re doing it on their
43:19
own this is why we are in the world that we are today you know people
stress is
43:25
the number one most toxic detrimental effect that you can
43:32
have during pregnancy and they’ve proven it you know they’ve they’ve shown
it now with tons of scientific evidence that
43:40
stress hormones create mental illness and obesity and all sorts of health
43:46
problems um and you see that with the ace the ace study that’s presented in
you know the for those who you know is
43:53
adverse childhood experiences that was presented by Kaiser anente out of
43:58
California but they they started to map that wait a second people with
health issues had
44:06
trauma in their earliest childhood and usually and this is what we’re
trying to wake the world up to that this trauma
44:13
started to just their moms being stressed out while they were growing in the
44:20
womb so Kathleen Kindle tacket did a world of I mean just the veil so for to
44:29
the scientific community and to psychologists that wait a second wake up
you know our most vulnerable population
44:36
babies who go on to grow grow up to be adults are starting out in this world
44:42
with women who with mothers who aren’t supported and have a lot on their
nervous
44:47
system so I think it’s time that we as professionals start building
communities
44:55
because we know it takes a Village to raise a child needless to say and we
45:00
need so many beautiful hearts beautiful souls taken care of and we need a
45:07
complete Community shift a a mind shift happening so I’m merging the next
two
45:13
thoughts which are coming to me one from your practices um as a
professional how
45:19
do you integrate modalities like the cranos sacral therapy the somatic
45:25
experience and the Mind Body Spirit awareness and contribute this to the
45:30
recovery from birth trauma and what evidence supports their effectiveness
45:35
and of course after this I think you dwell with this and then we can talk
of how we go now going to work together as
45:42
apaa and heartfulness to carry the spirit forward yes well there’s a whole
birth or
45:50
emerence if you will of um Body Mind Spirit therapy where and you you showed
45:58
the book at the beginning you know the body keeps the score and so we’re
we’re catching up with what you know Mystics
46:04
and esoteric teachings have known for thousands of years is that the body is
46:12
the microcosm of the macrocosm you know
46:17
and everything that happens um in the mind manifests in the
46:23
body and vice versa so when you treat the whole
46:30
being you have to treat the body and the mind and a lot of the a lot of the
help
46:37
that’s out there for people in the last you know few decades has been
cognitive
46:43
therapy or you know even that therapy didn’t exist you know we we grew up
in this Victorian age you know everyone
46:51
everyone in this on this globe has been through some sort of colonization
46:56
largely influenced by um European monarchies and that that whole
47:06
infrastructure of patriarchal hierarchy and how do we learn and and how we
want
47:13
children to be um little adults even though their brains they don’t develop
47:19
that way so we now the Neuroscience is showing us how we need nurture
47:27
first and foremost in order to have these higher skills of to be to be
47:34
resilient or to to to be in control or regulated of our emotions and that
takes
47:40
30 some years and that takes so much longer than
47:45
we expect you know a five-year-old to sit in a classroom and and you know
behave when their job is to move and to
47:54
explore right so somatic based therapies which means body
48:01
right is when we when we take this approach that they the mind and the body
48:06
are one so I cranial sacral therapy is a great you know example that’s what
I
48:14
started in even though I do a lot with um weaving psychology psychosomatic
48:20
therapy and educating parents and understanding the metaphysics you know
48:25
of how how we come into de form but cranial sacral therapy is um a very
48:31
gentle approach that is used um I you know anybody should use it I think you
48:37
should be getting cranial sacral therapy even before you plan on getting
pregnant because it helps empty your nervous
48:44
system it helps you you know return to this what do we call zero point
field or
48:50
blueprint on a daily basis it’s just like heartfulness if you do a m you
know uh a
48:59
meditation if you um teach a person how to reflect on their day and take you
49:07
know regular breaks of Mind Body you know exercises
49:12
of just breathing that we can slow our nervous systems down and be more in
rhythm with
49:19
how we’re designed more in rhythm with nature for instance but cranial
sacral
49:24
therapy is one example um I know now we have biof feedback we have so many
49:32
different psychosomatic therapies or energetic modalities that help people
49:38
enter into these more conscious states of being right when they’re open and
49:45
they’re curious and they’re they’re connected to their heart instead of
walking around just
49:50
with this you know big brain up here
49:58
which develops the first in in the baby it’s the first sign of life is that
your
50:03
heart is beating yes yes and it and it doesn’t even start
50:09
with the heart it starts with the blood cells it’s wild the blood cells
have an electrical current field around them
50:16
there’s an energy field um and you know that’s what Quantum this is a
really cool time and
50:22
age to be alive because we have quantum physics that is now entering in
play with the the therapeutic modalities that
50:30
we have for people to um return within to
50:35
themselves that’s it like I think the best way that we can deal with what we
50:41
have at hand today is to go within to go inside of ourselves to
50:47
learn who we really are to know thyself right to know what’s inside what
matters
50:53
to us and the more we do it the more more creative the more productive will
50:59
be the more I mean it’s it’s it’s always a paradox to think go within and
you’ll learn more about the external
51:06
world that’s the nature of it though isn’t it absolutely I’m so I’m sure uh
beloved
51:13
Dai would be happy to hear and listen to what you’re saying because that’s
what
51:18
he keeps telling people every single day every single moment look within
yourselves and practices of medit ation
51:27
of cleansing what we do in the evening throwing out whatever we have taken
in
51:33
during the day and saying that whatever is not required for my spiritual uh
51:38
growth is going away from my system so these two practices really really
51:44
compliment each other and the connect which we do through our prayer this
is a wonderful sort of three pillars of
51:52
practice which we have and we are giving this to the world for free we
don’t charge for the practices I know I think
51:59
that’s amazing by the way I love everything about the heartfulness
Institute and we are looking forward to
52:07
the new uh chapter which we are going to build in and weave in for the
parents
52:12
and the babies to come here for this side of the world that is the pre and
perinatal education and psychology and
52:20
heartfulness Institute coming together for a new chapter beginning and how
do
52:25
you look at it do do you feel that the heartfulness practices also could be
weaved into these programs and help
52:32
prevent the birth trauma which exists today oh my gosh
52:38
yes I am so excited about interweaving these two um especially since we’re
in
52:47
we’re in the process right now of upgrading or updating our signature
course the one that you took the ppne
52:54
course which you know people can find through our website birth
psychology.com
53:00
and this new addition that we’re we have released is about bringing the
body mind
53:08
awareness practices and you don’t have to be a therapist you don’t have to
be a
53:14
psychologist or some Academia person in order to um Embrace these principles
53:22
right so this is what I love about interweaving heartfulness is because
anybody can do it everybody should be
53:29
doing it on a daily basis I mean in the United States we have the heart math
53:34
Institute and they’re showing us all the time about the benefits to our
health for give you know for creating brain
53:41
heart coherence and this is what heartfulness is it’s about brain heart
coherence it’s
53:48
about connecting the mind and the body the macrocosm and the microcosm and
and
53:54
it’s about going within because we all all have the
53:59
answers within us you know we’re in a fractal Universe right so it’s all
about
54:06
returning to our heart and I think we um as a population right now a lot of
54:13
our world problems would be solved if people on this planet turned more
54:19
towards their heart because we’ve been injured you know over these
thousands of years there’s lots of distrust there and
54:26
connection and fear but you can create for your own experience the moment
you
54:32
drop into your heart in meditation or even just through breathing or even
just
54:38
bringing your mind into your heart and listening to your heartbeat you
settle in your body and
54:45
you experience a bit of what I call God you know you experience the Divine
54:53
and that’s what it’s really all about that’s what we’re here to do we’re
here to experience the Divine in our physical
54:58
bodies with you know our our senses to be able to experience this beautiful
55:04
world that we live in so I’m looking forward to the class it’s going to
make everything more
55:10
beautiful yes and I look forward to having you in for many more sessions I
55:17
know you’re very busy with apaa and apaa for viewers who don’t know what
they are
55:22
doing they do have they are also uh serving the community in various ways
55:29
they have Mondays I think you can talk about the Mondays what you’ll have
so that people be more than happy to
55:35
register for the talks and there are a hold of topics which are there on
the website we as pre and perinat Educators
55:43
want to help out parents want to help out mothers to be and mothers who are
55:48
and babies to help develop a connection with their own selves so feel free I
55:54
think if you can talk a little bit of apaa Mondays and apaa Wednesdays so
that
55:59
people would understand how they can connect with apaa oh yes I I appreciate
56:04
that sneal this is great Apple live is um a weekly event that we do and
because
56:11
you’re if you’re in India and we do it in the United States and it doesn’t
jive with your you know your life schedule
56:18
they are recorded and through our membership which is you know a very
56:23
nominal fee you can hear these recordings are join in live but they’re
56:29
from they’re from all sorts of people from different walks of life that are
56:34
talking about birth psychology and how it impacted their life um for healing
56:41
for helping their children so it is it’s a tremendous resource for parents
even
56:46
and professionals plenty of resources on our website we have courses that
are
56:52
also designed for parents that are um some of them document M mentaries to
learn about you know what happens to a
57:00
baby in the womb how a parent could be more connected with their child um
there
57:08
are all sorts of classes that maybe we even have more conversations on this
57:14
stream shal but learning how babies communicate with us because that’s a
57:19
whole that’s a whole world of Discovery you’ve done classes you know with
some of our Pioneers in in that realm as well
57:26
and that’s fascinating just to see how a baby May hold its head or you know
make gestures with his hands or you know how
57:33
it hold its body tells a story and it helps simplify a parent life because
57:38
wouldn’t we all want to know what’s going on in our in our baby’s brains
during that time you’re like what what
57:44
do you need and they can’t you know articulate it verbally like us um so
57:51
there’s there’s tremendous amount of resources on our website and lots of
free um lots of free resources and even
57:58
courses that are not that expensive and I love the course that we’re going
to be releasing in the New Year
58:04
2025 because that will be um an interweaving of practices you know that
58:10
you can do within your body to attune to your body to know how to care for
it and
58:16
in turn recognize the emotional spiritual psychological needs of your
58:22
children so we got a lot to do shal yes absolutely I’m looking forward to it
58:28
just bracing forward to thank you I think this this particular discussion a
58:35
small talk which we have had shared for the last few minutes would be a
source of inspiration for many and would be a
58:42
changing point for how babies come into the world this side of the world we
in
58:48
heartfulness are making attempts through our programs beautiful Beginnings
which is meant for couples who want to have
58:54
babies and then is Diva janani which also helps parents couples who are
struggling to have babies and we have
59:02
wow also which is a relationship program all these programs are now going
to be
59:08
offered and in togetherness with apaa in their program so the uh what Dai
says
59:15
getting the world together is happening and even in this field so thank you
so
59:20
much Christiana for coming and I look forward to you other programs as thank
59:27
you thank you
