Harmonics of Menopause is for those that long to restore the sovereignty of their being. The whole transitional phase called Menopause is an invitation to step out of ordinary time and honor and embrace cosmic Time as a beloved companion.
“ Linear time prompts us to think in terms of ‘to do lists’ and DOING things. This way denies a woman’s relationship with the planets and moon phases, all key aspects of her own womb and Menopause Mandala.”
At all Orinoco Flows events Inner Meditative processes and rituals are offered to bring constant blessings and invite surrender to a sense of purpose and place.
Rex brings rich insights to the Menopause conversation by seeing it as one of several inter-related transitions on the journey of womanhood. Rex observes how menopause is best understood in the whole context of a woman’s life. The first meeting with mothers blood at implantation, the onset of puberty, feelings around motherhood. How were these transitions?
The onset of puberty can be especially uncertain. Who was there to joyfully support and explain? Was their embarrassment? Furtiveness, pain or fear? Were we alone with our feelings?
“These imprints on our instinctual feminine are impactful and may hold the key to menopause challenges.” ~Rex Lassalle, co-founder Orinoco Flows
“When the menopause ‘ strikes’,”, he says, it is usually seen as something to override, conquer or control. “ In most patriarchal dominant societies when the cosmic interruptor called the menopause shows its face, some aspect of suppressing, controlling and being in charge of the body and its function becomes the go to mode. Pill popping, plasters and a whole range of approaches are offered that override the divine feminine.”
Women who have conceived and given birth with medical interventions may have already felt the impact of procedures that have contributed to their lack of faith in their physiological feminine sovereignty. Suppressive approaches further expose women to the risk of new levels of neuroses.
Rex calls us to reframe our attitude to transitions. Although many rejoice that their fertile cycle is over, others feel somewhat lost and sense that the Menopause marks the end of their ‘productive’, ‘purposive life’.
THE OFC is like a bridge that offers to take a woman to a Post Menopausal experience where other gifts and symbols await. Gifts arise through dreams and inner revelations. Allowing and openness is present rather than a fix it mentality.
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so look you’re all really really welcome tonight it’s a great pleasure to host Rex LaSalle here with me tonight
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and it’s this is part of an event that’s hosted by The Orinoco flows Community
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which is a community that I suppose came into being would you say Rex about a
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year or two years ago a little bit more than a year ago like
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um in April on 2022 yep yes and it’s an
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organization a very small organization that’s growing that seeks to support each one of us to discover our fullest
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expression and today we really want to explore what is missing in the menopause conversation
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and we welcome your questions in the chat and we’d love to know where you are
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on the journey if you support others or if there’s something that is directly relevant for you because in a way I
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think that’s what we’re about to make this really relevant for you not just a piece of chewing gum but you can you can
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eat and spit out and move on to the next thing it’s something that will be practically useful and and of benefit
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um yeah the menopause becomes relevant for all of us when we see our life as
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one big Continuum as part of a mandala if you will of the wholeness of family
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and as a part of our whole person care we might ask what is a mandala and in
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Rex’s words he described it as a vast ever expanding circle at the center of
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which our soul resides quite a beautiful statement
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so I wondered if we could just begin by in a way picturing our own mandala
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and let me explain what I mean by that like could we just begin with the very
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seed of ourselves as in begin with what was surrounding us at our very birth
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can we picture for a moment the atmosphere the culture our DNA
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our parents our grandparents the totality of our ancestral family
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tree all of you Every Little Bit Of You spiraling out from the pulsing Unity of
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masculine and feminine Energies so let’s just take a moment to even sense into that sense of our own mandala
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in our very bodies that very first transition from the depths of our womb the womb that we came
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from as you sought to connect and belong in this strange and crazy world
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and Dr William Emerson one of my teachers uh pointed out that many of us
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find it so hard to be in a body in a body at all and then perhaps we have that sense that
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we want to return and we have a little bit of sense of a Divine homesickness as
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he called it looking for that core link to our first home
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so yes there is that sense of birth as being a Continuum absolutely
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and today Rex this is really what we’re about today with the um that aspect of the menopause
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um we’re here tonight to show how the feminine biological experience directly
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wires women to the Natural rhythms of the moon and the cosmos
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so you could say we have a little bit of an advantage in a way we have that constant opportunity that constant
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invitation to connect through our biological body as well just pulling the
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pulls and tugs of um the first period through to the pools and tugs of Labor
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and then the flux of menopause constantly reminding us of those natural
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rhythms of nature so many might say that all of this kind
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of stuff this kind of talk is something that should be done with women only so some people might ask well what’s Rex
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lizelle doing in this group of you know this Hen House that Oliver clocking about the menopause what what is this
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person doing um but that’s where we come back to this sense of the mandala of the fracturing
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of masculine and feminine isn’t that really the core of our wounding as women
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to say that there’s things that matter to us and there’s things that matter to you that in itself
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um is a very painful place a very painful polarity to to rest Within
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so yes enough about me but I would just love you to get to know Rex in the way
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that I feel I’m getting to know Rex and Rex is the kind of person that you don’t
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get to know all of a sudden it might take a little bit of time and I’ve had
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the great opportunity of time with Rex of knowing him for uh yes about over 30
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years um you know he’s coached me personally uh certainly helped me to Coast through
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my menopause Journey which I’m sure is continuing uh to unfold uh yeah for
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those who don’t know him already he’s an internationally renowned trainer in the Japanese Healing Art of shiatsu Rex’s
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knowledge of Chinese medicine and the five elements has supported thousands
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and I’m not even sure if that’s accurate but over five decades he supported thousands of clients in many many
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different ways and even though he’s a little bit shy about this Rex it has to be said is a
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global Authority and author on Oriental astrology and his latest book is really a great
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um compendium to return to again and again uh the Alchemy of time and your emotions which I find it’s kind of a
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handbook that I just had next to me and find it invaluable with clients
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the Rex we could go on about that but I I would love you to take us right now if
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you could the core of what your sense of the Missing Link in the menopause and
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menopause conversation is is there a wounding there or what is it that draws
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you to this topic um okay thank you very much Sarah and um
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Our Guest to be here with me this evening
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um who I am in this conversation very much has to do with who my parents were and
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especially my grandmother so here it is I’m born in Trinidad and
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Tobago um and with my parents they had this
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capacity to read the signs in other words it was a whole matriarchal situation my father could do it and my
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mother could do it and it was always at 100 accuracy so the whole aspect of the relativeness
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the space and the signals that space was giving was present
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and to answer your question Sarah’s regards like what is the at the
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core of this menopause conversation it’s really the aspect of birth
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and that means unsurprisingly speaking about menopause and how does Birth come into this yes the whole experience one
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of the the aspect of the fragmentation um especially in the journey that women
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have the biological journey of the transitions from that first monthly
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cycle today experience towards the end of closing
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off that cycle that closing off of the cycle tends to only come up a few years
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before it occurs whereas for the mother to know about mother to be to know about
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this also informs the child to be in that Realm of the unconscious because you
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know we are always hearing even when in our mother’s belly during the you know
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our mother’s pregnancy with us so for that to be told the child then at
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20 30 years of age or whatever the mother is in a different place with herself and the child somehow knows that
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because the mother was informed about it rather than just suddenly told about it so that fragmentation is healed by
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this aspect of um I like to call it biological
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sovereignty that women have man it’s not quite that way because this
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our sovereignty comes from our head with man you know the idea well you have
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you know you’re successful in what you do or blah blah blah whereas for women the cosmic connection is with it’s how
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it’s that there’s a whole Cosmic connection because that is what started that first month recycle and then
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towards the end that time as the menopause starts the premenopause experience
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that space that Cosmic aspect it starts changing so
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um hopefully I answered the question with all those bits that I think but let
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me just see if I’ve got that right so are you saying to me that the thing that you don’t hear in the menopause
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conversation is the idea of nature the idea of the cosmos and that biological link with
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that exactly it’s a fixed conversation that I have observed and
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um it’s very patriarchal in the sense of the the realm of medicine and the realm
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of the magazines the informing this is happening take this pill drink this do
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that it’s it’s a Fix-It and if we are to go back to the wisdom
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of the ancestors it’s like the connection with nature and
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the connection with changing the Rhythm the connection with eating differently
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of being in harmony with that was present yes at times there were
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challenges within that and that in the ancestral line I’m not denying that but that knowledge was there and that go-to
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aspect was there and my conversation or what I am bringing to the conversation is returning to that
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I’m of the view that this is very important also in the environment in
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which we are living in where artificial intelligence is dominating so much of
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the experiences of people now and the aspect of
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um moving away from a listening to their body so that’s listening to your body is
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very important like what works for you that listening rather than you know I
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need to fix it so Rex if I was to be a little bit difficult and by the way we really
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welcome difficult people in the chat if there’s anyone difficult there with um any strong menopause experiences we’d
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love you to to put your thoughts forward because I could say well look great it’s great rex that you’re talking about what
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connection with the moon what is this Cosmos thing um you know but is that really going to
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help when I’m having hot flushes at work and I’m trying to you know move on through my day and it’s embarrassing or
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I’m having these AWOL kind of emotional sweats I’m not sleeping I mean I’m
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really pissed off I mean are you telling me what are you telling me to do connect to the moon what what where are we
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coming from so the key aspect is Calm Mind
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a calm mind is something that has to be cultivated
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um let me slow this down a little bit um as regards where we’re going with
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this so that first cycle happens
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and it’s wonderful if you know your mother your granny your
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aunt or even your father in that case told you about it of what was coming so
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you were prepared so that is giving you your sovereignty that is giving you a
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sense of ownership and management about your body as regards this occurs and it
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happens on a monthly basis etc etc now
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the pre-menopause situation um comes about and what happens this is
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what I have observed in my work over the decades because you know I’ve had
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um clients women who come they’re regular clients of mine and then they
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come in with the menopause conversation and what I’ve observed the movements are
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different you speak about maybe at times a bit of
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a stiffness in their joints so in other words there’s the relatedness with space the
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space of their own bodies there is a shift going on
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that shift that is going on is another level of communication that becomes
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available to the woman that oftentimes when that is happening
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and the man is not informed her partner is not informed about it it’s like the
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woman is starting to talk about um sort of how best to put it
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um knowledge she’s really coming from knowledge she’s coming from knowing
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things but yet it’s outside the box it’s of another dimension and oftentimes for
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the man it’s like listen you need to take a pill you need to go and see the psychologist or you need to go and see some doctor because you know it’s like
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you’re losing it yeah but it would be great for it’s only
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for me to say okay when you say about movement is that could you even think of without mentioning a name or
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confidentiality is there some particular thing you’re saying there’s a locking of a joint or what is it that you’re seeing
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people experience in terms of is it lack of movement or is it something different okay
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um there’s a hesitancy with the movement um at times it could be stronger than
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that word but I would say there’s a hesitancy so I know this client for many years
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she’s a regular you know she comes maybe once a month for shiatsu or cities so
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then the premenopause happens she walks in the room and I sense something is different I
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don’t know what it is I’m a man right so I have to listen this has been the key part of my work
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over the decades I listen a lot okay so this listening this is how I picked up
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my informations I listened so she starts talking and then she mentions you know I feel stiff I feel
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awkward so what I’m talking about is that there’s an aspect of how we are in
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space who we are in space this is physiological this is not a
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racism I’m talking about this you know it is and the the item that is connected
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with that is the proprioceptors proprioceptors are in our joints
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and proprioceptors have a link with space to how we are in space people who do
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yoga or whatever at times You Stand The Pursuit and we see how we feel in space
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so that at times for women especially in the early stage
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um the pre-menopause stage that is a clear sign and that means another
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communication is starting to happen with the body if that is ignored
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you going into that rocket situation of you know the hot flashes overwhelm
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whatever because that communication is one as you become receptive to it
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which Calm Mind gives you something else changes because it would
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come mind what starts to happen is that the Alpha Brain Wave frequency in your
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brain starts occurring which creates deeper levels of intuition
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which also creates a healing quality which also means there’s a deeper
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listening to what is happening in this space this is important if that is engaged
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with those situations you speak about tends to be way down especially when
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diet is looked at especially when other lifestyle changes and that just drops
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away because you are acknowledging the influence of the cosmos on your
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biological function and on your body absolutely uh and I’m just looking in
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the chat now there’s a few little comments because as you say that isn’t part of
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um the day-to-day culture uh I don’t think many people uh hear what the way you’re saying and in day to day
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um I mean would you like to pause for a couple of questions now Rex yeah yeah sure I can take questions rather than
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you know um Rex is speaking to himself because I know that whole aspect of the
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proprioceptors and the movement uh we’ll we’ll talk a little bit more about that later on won’t we because that’s going
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to form one of the three programs that’s that’s going to happen in in them
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in in the Autumn uh there was some nice little comments here anyway as we as we’re carrying on so please continue to
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use the chat um I think martial is saying it’s an override suppressed pilot shame approach
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in modern world uh and she’s personally so interested to hear another way of
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being around this and um Katrina I think yeah
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for sharing I have observed that that’s very much yeah you know that’s quote
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unquote the norm so it’s great to hear that Katrina was lucky enough to have an easy Passage through menopause and I’m
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sure that was with a lot of the healthy positive things that you do for yourself as did my mum and I’m looking to support
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others in my family who are worried about what will happen to them and of course thinking about HRT I mean that’s
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something we’ve often shouted about Rex isn’t it this sort of idea that this thunderstorm is going to take over the
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world and the only solution is Charity you know of course is an option but um
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it seems to be sometimes the only way and we have a another thing from Marcia here my brother and dad could smell
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hormonal change and when my bleed was due and happening my mom had a history
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on when my when people were wearing the household of when her bleed is happening and my mom had a hysterectomy in the in
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the 70s when I was five and and she was 35 I’m sorry to hear
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that and went into menopause I believe hysterectomy was the cure for everything
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in those days just to cut it out yeah I’m sorry yeah and menopause was never discussed by
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Auntie’s Grandma Etc other than in passing not the sacredness power or how
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the body changes yeah and we have something from Sylvia by
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Sylvia my understanding is that the menopause is quite cultural
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and it has become focused on hot flushes and Yin deficiency type symptoms yeah
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you can hear from this that Sylvia is a Chinese medical practitioner um
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in the west the the West dominates the conversation because of the pharmaceutical industry
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yeah and Sue I experienced menopause spiritually and emotionally more than
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physically in the sense that it felt like a complete dissolution and
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unraveling well thank you thank you thank you thank you
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so much for those absolutely um so shall we get to the Carmine
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meditation yeah I think uh unless there’s any major shouts down against that a bit of calm
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mine would be lovely Rex uh it’s not all’s good okay people want to
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make themselves comfortable they there’ll be a little meditation now for you know a maximum of five minutes or so
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I think we will go on for a little longer um because I’ll let it sort of unfold
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um from in my listening to what was shared
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somehow how best to put it um yeah
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we’re dealing with harmonics so somehow there’s a listening to what I’ve heard with the sharing
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um so finding ways to create a um
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a music or Symphonies that encompasses that but
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um brings a deeper level of Harmony to us as a community right here
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right now I mean this is important to know will do there’s space
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um you know we are in different places in the world um throughout the globe um you know
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different people are in different places but nevertheless
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in this conversation we can be and in this listening we can
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be in a place of community of sharing a focus of sharing a calm mind so keeping
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that in mind and what I just mentioned about space let’s go there with the Calm Mind
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so in your imagination [Music] I’d like to ask you to find some
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Erial on planet Earth right here where we are where it is that you’re living in
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your imagination like a favorite spot where you like to sit either on a big stone
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or on the Earth itself
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so put yourself on that stone or put your put your bum onto the Earth you
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could have something below you a towel or whatever or just directly with you
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you know sitting on the Earth
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um allow your legs to be relaxed so they can be crossed or you could have your
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feet on the ground feeling the earth below your feet but please do not lay
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down um be in a place of awareness so you’re sitting rather than lying down
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as this is an aspect of being conscious of cultivating
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Calm Mind so in that sitting
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position on the Earth give yourself permission
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to have a breath that is deep but not deep with effort it’s like an
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effortless deep breath allowing your tummy to have a sense of
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space as the air comes in allowing your neighbor to have a sense
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of spaciousness behind it rather than be tight and locked in
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for as you create that spaciousness at the back of your neighbor
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the younger connecting directly back to that Lifeline of your connection
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with your mother and along that
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ancestral line of DNA of father mother going back Generations
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upon Generations upon Generations all in that sense of
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being supported by them with your Calm Mind
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with feeling a sense of calmness of who you are on planet Earth
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and within that sense of feeling at ease and comfortable on planet Earth
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give yourself permission to allow whatever fragrances on your
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environment to be present
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for you as we well know
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when a woman is pregnant her sensitivity the fragrances is heightened
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that aspect of heightened sensitivity to fragrances
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is connected with the Earth element that feeling of bringing a newborn onto
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the Earth triggers a sense of being connected with
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the Earth of course we are here with a different conversation but just
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mentioning those things is regards to Cosmic aspect
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of the birth experience and the menopause experience and the elements in
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our lives and the sense of space
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allow ourselves to give thanks
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for those elements give thanks for space
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give thanks give thanks
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for our sensitivity with fragrances with smell
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with a feeling of being at ease
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with a Calm Mind on planet Earth
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let’s just be with that for a while and be in that silence
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of sitting on the Earth and being supported by the Earth
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and being nourished by the big booth and being stabilized by the Earth
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we give thanks
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I invite you now to return
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slowly return to our narrative and our chat this evening and
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you’re listening so thank you very much for
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for generous listening to what I just shared
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any feedback comments from anyone that they want to
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tell us about because we’re all part of this community for this you know for
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what I just did so whatever you’re sharing is also part of
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in a way unconsciously and experience what others will be while listening and who are
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participating here this evening please don’t be shy you’re just very
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welcome to just unmute yourself and if you feel it just to say something
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or actually it’s lovely Marcia has written something thanks Marcia um
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yes she just mentioned that I noticed a tightness in the muscles and ligaments around my womb and hips that I wasn’t
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aware of wow wonderful
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and um so Marcia were you able to allow
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that to to allow it to let it go or are you
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still holding that um still holding a little but it was um
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it was that was so beautifully LED Rex they connected with my ancestors so
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there was a there was a an echo feeling of my
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tightness that I held within my body and within feminine lineage so that just
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being aware and then as I became present with it just letting go so after the
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call I’ll go and do some stretch but it was it was just really beautiful because I I
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had I’m sort of um nine or ten months since I last had a breed I had very regular periods before
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and no problems um and just noticing that as we did that
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Journey particularly sitting on the Rock um I went to one of my favorite places I grew up in Derbyshire
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um the the vitality and the power that’s still there that I was aware of because
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I don’t feel menopause or I’ve not had flushes or anything um but the latent
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not latent the unacknowledged power and creativity induced in us that’s still in
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my body was what was very present and it was like the tightness of the muscle and the womb was
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how I’d been defining myself like other people do of oh you must be menopausal because I’m 55
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and so the the beautiful Dance of the two of it’s not what you
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think was just very softening for me so I really appreciate that I really enjoyed it so thank you
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my pleasure thank you for sharing anybody else with any comments or or
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even questions or anything um Lynn would you like you’re the next in line here would you like to see your
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comment or would you like me to read it it’s up to you I’ll mute myself can you hear me yeah
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um yeah I always find it incredibly moving when
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when asked to think about one’s mother or you know all the mothers before within that belly Naval space
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and it just feels incredibly powerful so um it was beautiful just to sit with
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that and I just had to agree with Marcia you just LED it so beautifully Rex
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um my pleasure thank you Lynn actually when you mentioned the your belly I was just feeling wow that’s
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if if some visual artist could present the female belly like a mandala
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something quite tremendous population artists in our midst here
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but it’s also that the belly needs to be the woman’s belly needs to be so much more celebrated and not just in its
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pregnant state you know there is so much pulling in and tucking tails and holding and
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constriction and it breaks my heart every time I see a woman walking in like a young
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beautiful woman into my classes or for others I don’t know movement classes
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yoga and you just feel the holding you know Decades of just holding taking up
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as little space as you can and yeah it’s
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important to let women enjoy having a belly
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by the way this is also part of um in the Asian countries
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um there is less sort of drama around menopause because that aspect of
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um the softness of the belly is acknowledged it’s not like holding on holding in I
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mean so this is very much how that is and um and actually I just mentioned that so
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again we come back okay um let me just say but hold on I talked enough let me
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listen to you at my modern hear what else is is being shared
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it’s interesting everyone’s coming in with with different flavors which is lovely and Lorraine is coming in uh
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would you like to say your comment Lorraine uh um I I think it was very much that during
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the meditation I just connected with that sense of being pregnant so again the belly and the fullness
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um and for me it was a real realization that while the years I had been pregnant
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were very definitely times I wasn’t connected with the miracle of others the
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cosmic connection you know it was it was so there’s a
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celebration of coming more into that now um but a sense of the loss
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I’ve had that could have been a more beautiful experience
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thank you yeah and uh we have Marcia uh who’s
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commenting again about the smells and the fragrances of naturalness of women
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to be celebrated honored and welcomed thank you
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yeah the aspect of [Music] um the olfactory system of smell is very
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much linked um with the Earth as regards this aspect in the biological system of the body it
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has this this link um and this is explored very deeply
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especially in The Vedic tradition um and the Tibetan tradition and the
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aspect of you know the smell and the Earth element it’s very much present in
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that and um so yes I mean
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I I just touched on it that’s the whole that’s a much deeper conversation but
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the exploring of that and the exploring of or the cultivating a relatedness
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with the aspect of your navel
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yeah how ridiculous this is something but I mean that’s the best ways I can find
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um because that is a gateway into the ancestral link I do want to get
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into that because I could talk at length about that at a very at a very personal level in my life
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um and how profound that is as regards you know what can come in dreams or
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whatever this is like um it’s really like a you know it’s an email
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that that happens in that domain especially if you
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you know you are comfortable with that fortunately I have I’m in a situation in
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my life whereby I adored my parents both my parents I just love them I mean that
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that is remained um constant I mean I know at times that is not the case with some of us but
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anyway but I have that aspect and so you know many of
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you shut my mouth you know um I think at the same time Rex it’s
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great to hear the different aspects coming in because we might you know just just point to that for the for the
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Autumn events like something like in a way the little bits you’re hearing from Rex I’d just like to say that uh yeah
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you’ll never get exactly what you expect so if you think this is a conversation about that it’ll probably be about
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something else so um we’ll expect the unexpected and um uh
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but Sylvia uh Sylvia is bringing in a very critical aspect that I would imagine you’d like to speak about
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yourself um this this is a very core Point here yes
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um I thought it was a beautiful meditation and I’m so grateful and it was beautifully held
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um and but I found so I’m an adoptive mum
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and I was unable to conceive I I was
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pregnant at one point in my life but it wasn’t the right time for me to have a child I felt and I really made a very
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considered decision about it um and then I never got pregnant after
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that and I um when I adopted
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it was when I actually adopted my son when I was 50. he was seven so I was
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menopausal pretty much um and I had no problems with no no real
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problems with the menopause in the traditional uh sense but I did have a very very very
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bad um stiff shoulders and neck and
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um when I researched it I found that this was a very common symptom of menopause in the east
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um but it’s not talked about in the west at all it’s become totally focused on hot flushes and
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um a researcher who I was very interested in I don’t know if you know professor volkashid at all
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um he’s a German but go ahead he’s a very he’s a German Chinese speaking
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um uh historic historian and practitioner of Chinese medicine and he got a
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um some government funding to do a research into menopause and he looked at
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the way that it was built looked at in the East and um saw that it was very different and
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how in China with the Advent of traditional Chinese medicine or modern TCM it had got very distorted into
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kidney in deficiency and become hot flushes and
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um and actually when you looked at what was going on in Japan in the herbal traditions of Japan is a very very
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different approach um to the way it was treated there and it was much more about
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um symptoms of fullness rather than deficiency and an excess that had to be
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um supported anyway very interesting article that he wrote which really
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changed my view but anyway going back to the conversation about the um the
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adoption so I find when I’m asked to think about family and my mother I I
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have a lovely mother and a very good you know I have no problem but there’s part
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of my heart that goes out to my son who is um
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who has not seen his family since he was
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five six years old when there was a final contact because his
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um a very very very severe um criminality I’d say really towards him
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abuse and so he has no connection
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and he’s not he’s when he says family I’m his family so he
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has no Naval connection and um you know I’m his family and we have a
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little dog and he says it’s you and the dog mum that’s it you know and um
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and so I I that’s so that was going on in my head lovely
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conversation in my head with myself but oh you know my son but anyway I found myself on this
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beautiful Rock in Greece where we laid my mum’s ashes and I felt deeply deeply
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connected with my sense of power and who I who I am and all these
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very difficult situations I’ve been put in as a mother
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um because it’s not been easy not because of my son
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that’s not been easy but I expected that but the the way that the state
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um is very um is not supporting adoptive families at
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all and uh and what happened to to us was it was a dreadful experience which I
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won’t go into but I felt in my power about it it was wonderful I really am
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grateful for that but it was like all this stuff that happened no it was I’m
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I’m okay I’m here and yeah okay
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um so one thing this is a a very different conversation and the aspect
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about adoption that you’re sharing um here with us
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um wonderful I really appreciate you bringing this up I’ve just touched upon it for a little
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while um because it’s going in a different direction than you know what I’m here to
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talk about the aspect and you know your adopted son
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is seven years of age is that oh he’s 23. I adopted him oh he’s 23 now ah yes
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I adopted him when I was 50. I’m 65 now so yeah all right
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um the one thing that I could suggest um which of course is Shifting the
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mindset for him at this age at seven it would have been a smoother time to do it
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but the connection with the Earth and the connection with
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um creating like a mandala which you know you you are in a Mandela
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conversation and so we’re going we’re really going back into that quote and put an
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indigenous aspect as regards how we are dealing with life and creating like a sacred mandala by
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drawing a circle on the earth and and doing some sort of ceremony in the sense of because he is part of the Earth
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and yes at times in wars and Times of you know this the dysfunctionality of us
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human beings the aspect of children being abandoned or whatever or and and but the aspect of
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connecting with a child or wanting to look after a child all of that is there and
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um that is coming from a heart space and that needs to be celebrated
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um but I can’t address that you know there’s another way for me to talk about it which will be getting into your birth
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date and also your your son’s birth date and whatever which is looking at what
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Ben would support but that’s um yeah yeah it’s another conversation
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but uh I didn’t want to bring personal in a way but I just wanted to hold a
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space for people for people who don’t have mothers that they can can you know
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they don’t have much they can’t that connection is is blocked and I love the
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idea of connecting with the Earth instead that that feels really lovely
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sure there are and there are many approaches to that um but it’s but thanks for bringing it
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up and and um um I will write something about that and
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and share about that so maybe a poem may come but anyway
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um over to you Sarah well uh somehow the the deep
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conversation the rich conversation is inspiring other people to come forward and it’s it’s interesting Marcia your
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comment here like in a way that whole thing you were saying Rex about about birth and and the link with the
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menopause and pregnancy it’s it’s it’s so lovely that people are bringing every aspect forward so the martial would you
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like to say this comment directly yourself or will I read it um I was just curious as the
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conversations unfolding thank you everybody I’m gaining so much I had
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um two terminations um late late 20s early 30s one
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um my baby was quite sick um and reactions to medication and then
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the second one a few years later I chose to have a termination so Pregnant twice
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but never gone beyond the first trimester and so I’m wondering about thoughts about how that can influence
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menopause or if it does or what your thoughts are
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okay um
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this that is a conversation about sacred womb and the aspect about
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um a child who came but whose time was not
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present or for whatever reason the termination happened but there’s a shadow
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in the womb and there’s a whole process as regards you know the healing of that
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in the sense of the first the key aspect in that is about acknowledging a
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relatedness to that space of that being of that
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um entity who came in was part of the
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Sacred womb and left in in the sense of didn’t manifest as regards the birth but
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left but nevertheless had that passage um in the sacredness of the womb that
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the creative aspect so the acknowledgment of that is is um is of
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great importance and in the sense of also
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um if one has a family like you know children before or children after at
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some level and this is this does not have to be in the family dialogue or
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narrative but for the mother of the parents that some way of acknowledging
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that that um that being something else happens something else
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happens as regards um uh a completion
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and and so the the menopause for you to to to share that Mafia is like
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um you’re bringing that into the space of of consciousness rather than leaving it unconscious
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and so where that takes you that’s only you can can know that but
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I’m giving some some thoughts about it as regards you know sacred womb the
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aspect of sacred womb also there are mandalas of that in the Buddhist tradition and
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Hindu Traditions also where they have images of that in the Japanese Qigong
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Buddhists in their temples they have big tankers where
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um such mandalas exist and such devotions are acknowledged
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and I think also in indigenous cultures they have ways of of talking about that
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so in that aspect of because um however really communicating about menopause it’s really a it’s really
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reconnecting with the cosmos as an elder
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as someone who has a capacity to have another listening
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that is outside of the patriarchal one of just ABCD it’s not linear it’s
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sporadic it’s a mandala quality whereby and this was very much part of that of
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the elders where in fact they were the ones who were consulted the woman the
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Elder women were the ones who were consulted as regards certain guidance in the community this was the normal this
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is this is the norm rather than you know
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quota Court year old is no purpose there’s no whatever and this kind of you know just
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abusive it’s it’s in a way it’s a ritual abuse
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as regards the menopause and how um it’s very how it has been dealt with
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and the medicalization of it um
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so yeah I mean so I’m really opening out I’m really coming from that quote-unquote spiritual or that other
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domain of listening and relatedness um to us as
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you know connections with the cosmos
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thank you so much thank you I mean
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um text me or whatever and by the way you know um people do have consultations with me
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um and Sarah could say more of that or send you also you know I do personal
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chats with people um so yeah I mean the different ways of
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it but um but engage with it as regards an
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aspect of acknowledging that that was part of the Journey of the Sacred
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womb that you you you carry and as that uh ending of the flow of blood in that
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direction it opens up another pathway which is to the cosmos with another
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listening that becomes present and the levels of intuition
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um is moved to another level and other levels other levels of guidance come to
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YouTube from those other um domains
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yes Sarah yeah Rex it’s so touching to see and to feel all of this unfolding as
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as we’re together because you know we can say the word mandala but I I’m sure
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each one of us here in the room can feel that there’s all those elements that’s
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that play out in the biology of the feminine the sovereignty of of the
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feminine being so it’s really touching to hear people’s stories and you know Lin’s making some very
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um important comments there about how not all babies arrive earth side but
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they touch our souls and teach us so much so um so there’s that honoring in that and
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all these experiences that are I can’t see that bit here but are held
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is it yeah held I’m sure in our wombs and we
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need to share our stories and yeah to express that
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yeah I mean okay um sorry
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um it’s something that is very much part of my as a key suggestion that I have
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um for women in the sense of that transition of menopause pre-menopause is to do a journal
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because um there’s another listening that is present
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and other feelings are arising and other insights are happening
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and they are precious I mean because you know you you are getting your own
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language you’re you’re being um you are going through an initiation
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of getting a new language that’s how you relate with with life how you relate with the cosmos
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something is then starting to occur for you with this and so to have a journal
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um this makes yeah it’s it’s just it’s rich and it has a quality of
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ownership and it has a quality of um honoring your sovereignty
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well Rex uh We’ve touched on so many uh fascinating aspects and points and I I’m
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wondering could we kind of move a little bit towards um some of the themes that will be
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exploring in September uh because as I understand it um the suggestion is to have three
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um events and we’re still open to deciding the exact dates and finding if there’s
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interest whether it’s more weekend based or evening based
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um you know in my little joke with Rex I was saying it’s like let’s put three buckets together and Rex can kind of
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pour the different themes into the one and um yeah we haven’t even touched on
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thyroid but I know that was one of the ones that um is coming forward isn’t it
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okay um so seeing you mentioned buckets let’s
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stay with buckets it’s very down to earth
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um and it’s not up in the air um so yes there’s a whole there’s a theme about thyroid what I’ve observed
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in my work over the decades has been
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that’s a big conversation let me put it that way and the thyroid gland has a lot
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to do with self-expression and many women
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um especially when the orientation towards the menopause is
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one that is very medicalized or patriarchal
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the self-expression gets dented and that impacts the thyroid gland the
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self-expression you know is this root it’s the aspect of your speech of the aspect of conveying things
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but the thyroid gland also has a whole relatedness with space
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in the sense of As We Know if there’s some radiation leak
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strontium-90 can impact the thyroid and start you know swinging that around in a
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big way interestingly um green tea the Japanese green tea
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especially is it can be Chinese too sorry I’m not marketing any particular
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brand here um this helps with neutralizing that
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radiation okay we also have this situation whereby in certain environments where a woman is
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heavily criticized or judged a lot or whatever again hits the thyroid again
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that whole aspect of of self-expression so that is something that will be
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um that I’ll share of course do not you know
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do not hear it as quote-unquote Valentine’s thyroid gland issues do not
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have an issue of you know what’s going on with the blood I’m not dismissing
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that at all please do not um things that I am ignoring that I am not but there
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are other aspects surrounding the thyroid gland there are times um are not spoken about
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and some of what I’m speaking here is and in the whole menopause conversation
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this the thyroid gland I have observed at times is one that gets
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um sort of hit at the city at some level often times I’m not saying hundred
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percent but many times that’s this goes on so that will be one um
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a second bucket is one really dealing about
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the Earth and nutrition so in other words like that olfactory aspect like what foods what what type of
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nutrition to to in to engage with what type of Lifestyle
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um to to adopt or to encourage and to to discover not just you know quote unquote
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I’ll uh bringing out a menu card but also for you of course
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checking it out but also for you to explore and what works for you rather than just reading it this is what
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I need to do this is what’s good for me no no no no no I’m not working that way it’s like what works what you
1:00:09
discovering what works for you you do this ah I had a good sleep I didn’t so
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you work with that we rather than just a menu card fix it do it then I’m just
1:00:21
being a patriarch with you know the information rather than you being engaged with the responsibility of what
1:00:28
works for you so there is that and then the last bucket is one of celebrating
1:00:33
the fire because that whole emotion and and at a certain level I’m kind of
1:00:42
dealing with the fire in a way whereby we having a dance with it that the hot
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flashes is not something that dominates the the the menopause experience with
1:00:54
the woman but nevertheless you know there are issues at times with
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anger but reach which shame and all these emotions that if they are not kind
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of process or move to one side and certain rituals I will share about ways
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of dealing with that then this can overwhelm the menopause experience
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thank you so much Rex and yeah my understanding is even the meditations
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that the intention is to have a meditation uh related to each of those aspects as well and
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um we’re also just forming those buckets if you like all those themes and and looking at which which areas to address
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so if we get feedback and there are particular things and themes that people
1:01:46
would love to address that will be very much woven in to um the material that’s going to be
1:01:52
awkward so um we can speak more about that now or send people information about it yeah
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also what would be helpful for us would be to indicate what’s your preference is it more like a Saturday or on a weekend
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or is it more on an evening or what what’s your press preference we’re
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looking at like two hours um the last one can be three hours
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we see I mean like so that’s where we are sort of um those are the areas we’re
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looking at um
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so there’s a moment or two for a last question and if the question doesn’t
1:02:34
come now uh you’re very happy to you’re very welcome to email us and we’ll do
1:02:40
our best to address that as well um were there any last things that people
1:02:46
would like to ask about anyway I can certainly recommend a
1:02:53
one-on-one uh session with Rex uh he tends to take you to places as I said
1:02:59
that other people don’t take you to and uses approaches that are really quite
1:03:05
different be it certain kind of pressure points or certain rituals or certain
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ways and um uh maybe I’ll just finish a little bit I think there’s all
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uh people are really appreciating the um the quality of awareness and the nature
1:03:23
of the conversation um yeah I just would just feel actually to to read one of the comments that uh a
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recent kind of testimonial if I can find that um find that easily here
1:03:36
because Rex’s run programs about the menopause in in many different countries
1:03:42
um at different times of his career and this is a very
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uh very interesting little comment here so a one woman who a testimonial she
1:03:54
said my menopause started a few months before my 52nd birthday I was in a 14
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year long distance relationship that ended abruptly and unexpectedly a Vara text message my ex sent me on
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uh that was sent on a cell phone the shock made my body close up completely managing my grief and menopause symptoms
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has been truly life-changing Rex lizelle has given me the tools to cope with
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these symptoms which included hair loss lack of sleep hot flashes anxiety
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depression the whole gamut and all of these things were dealt with great sensitivity and everything was
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very valuable that he’s a she is eternally grateful
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and we have another one that is uh equally touching
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from a lady that I think is actually very moving in itself that she was only 33 when she came to a menopause workshop
1:04:52
with Rex that in itself really says something to me she took the time to travel from the
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Caribbean uh to the Nordic countries as a birthday present for herself and the
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menopause Workshop was one of the warmest safest and nurturing spaces
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she’s experienced she comments that Rex guides his sessions from a deep sense of knowing
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rooted in traditional healing modalities and his delivery brings flow and ease
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it’s not a packaged experience where you tick the Box
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and anyway it’s a long beautiful statement but she says as she closes her
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eyes I’m back sitting in that room with Rex and all the wonderful women
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and all that I learned in the three days was more than any University degree could teach
1:05:50
me on how to be at ease with myself how to welcome changes in my body rather
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than fear them to flow with aging and this special time of the menopause
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to have a practice to turn to and she heartily and wholeheartedly recommends
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Journeys and workshops with Rex so [Music]
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so thank you everybody delightful and we’re complete for tonight and we’ll be
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in touch with you to send you details about the program and you’re always welcome to um approach Rex also with
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information about um a consultation so thank you for your attention very much
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thank you very much thank you Sarah for hosting this and thanks for the sharing
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and the comments and the feedback um yeah this was very Lively I
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appreciated that and and also the realism of the questions and and just
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the experiences that were shared here this evening
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um thank you deeply grateful for this all the best keep in touch