Ms. Christianna Deichmann, an experienced PPNE (Pre and Perinatal Educator) and Inner Child Journey Process Practitioner will be sharing her profound insights on how therapy can help alleviate trauma-related symptoms, highlighting strategies for recovery and resilience tailored to women and young families. Dr. Snehal Deshpande, a Developmental Therapist and Life Coach, PPNE & the Director of Heartfulness Family Connect Programs will moderate the session, bringing her expertise to guide the discussion.
Transcript:
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okay we are there hi folks good evening good morning and good good evening
good
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morning and good afternoon to my friends who are watching this show from
all over the world heartfulness Wellness extends
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a very warm welcome to all of you joining this show and as we had one
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topic which was PTSD which is postraumatic stress stress depression
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disorder sorry and we found that this topic was very extensive and of
recent I
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graduated and my mentor is here and I thank her for being here I graduated
as
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a ppne and that means it’s a pre and perinatal educator and psychologist
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during this entire journey I realized that BTSD is Big not only in mothers
who
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have recently delivered but also in big babies and that came as a
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big Revelation to me it was like a veil which was removed of my eyes and
that’s
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where I I decided to request my mentor Christiana and I’m honored to
introduce
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her to all of you uh in this show today so welcome Christiana she is by
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profession a crano registered cranos sacral therapist uh she is a pre and
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perinatal educator she is a licensed massage therapist she is also a life
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activation practitioner so this science actually merges this topic merges
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science with spirituality so she integrates cranos sacral therapy massage
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bpn and her somatic practices and she lives in sh shitzville uh Virginia
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her work Embraces today’s movement towards Consciousness and the merging of
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Science and spirituality she’s the director of the education wing of apaa
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that is Association of free and perinatal psychology and health and she
provides instruction to professionals
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and parents for bringing babies into this world her own experience her own
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experiences of birthing two children have sparked her interest in educating
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parents and profession about birth psychology and how the earliest
experiences in life are so
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foundational to defining human potential she interview interviews science
and
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spirituality to help people navigate The Invisible reams of their nervous
system
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their psyche and their soul so that they can make their decisions that will
drive connection to themselves and to the
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world so that is Christiana thank you Christiana for for extend for really
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accepting this invitation and giving us your most valuable time and uh I
look
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forward to having this conversation and cherishing moments with you so this
topic to me came some years back when I
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was reading this book my dear friends it’s a beautiful book which you all
should read it is the body keeps uh the
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score and it is a New York best seller it is Bessel Vander cul and it it
really
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shows us or really deep dwells on this topic of trauma so for me to
understand
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Trauma from an Eastern mindset was a little difficult until I walked the way
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and graduated as a PPN so uh to dellve
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more into the topic today uh Christiana my first question to you would be
what
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is PTSD what is post-traumatic stress disorder and why is it important to
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understand this specifically in relation to birth trauma wow well I just
wanted to thank
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you first Neal that for that lovely introduction and I’ve loved coming to
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know you over the last year and a half I think we’ve developed a deep a
deep bond
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and a friendship as well as a work relationship so I’m excited to be here
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thank you very much uh to answer your question I think we really have to
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understand who we are as individuals and where we come from
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because when we intersect um the spirit realm right our soul body and how it
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comes into form on this planet this is why it’s so important that we we
look at
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Birth for every human being on this on this planet and understand that we
are
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deeply connected to Nature our our anatomy our psychology you know our our
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me our mentalness and we understand that when you walk out
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into nature you know you can often feel restored and refreshed and whole
and at
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peace yes so if we understand that we are intricate linked with nature and
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then we compare where the world is today and how
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mechanical we are are devoid if you will of this sacred respect of our
innate
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connection to Nature then we can really start understanding what trauma is
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because we look at trauma at you know from a textbook standpoint that it’s
you know anything that overwhelms the
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nervous system anything that’s too much too fast too long or not getting
your
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emotional needs met but it it’s it’s really at the
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foundational level trauma is when we are disconnected from our blueprint
from our
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soul from our heart and I know this is what you know is so beautiful about
the
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heartfulness Institute is it gets people to go within and connect to the
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spiritual nature of oursel or the invisible nature that we can’t see or
touch but we can experience
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firsthand so I I see today’s world and that every human being has had
trauma at
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the most foundational level because it is traumatic leaving the spiritual
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realm it is a it’s a her Journey so no matter what like even if
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we have the most nurturing loving environment let’s say a natural birth and
and the mother feels so supported
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and empowered um and the baby’s been born vaginally that is still a very
hardship
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on the baby and the mother because there’s there’s a death and a birth all
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at once anyone who’s witnessed a birth you know you you feel the
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power of this energetic portal if you will that opens up and anyone who’s
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become a mother for the first time understands that something deeply
profound happens to their being when
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they give life and they let go of part of their own life and so there’s
that I mean that
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that is a trauma in that this baby has had a shattering it’s left its inner
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utera world for instance or it’s left its you know seat in the Divine realm
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and here it is you know it has to breathe differently it’s it’s you know
outside of its mother the womb and it
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has to adapt very quickly and then when you add
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on let’s say the environment that’s most common
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place through our birthing rituals today you know just with modern-day
technology and and not I I don’t want to I’m not
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negative about where we are and where how we got here because science and
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technology has helped us so tremendously and it’s part of the story of how
we got
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here because women really wanted they to understand how to improve their
birth
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experiences and when we when we got pain medicine and then we got the the
luxuries of hospitals and we understood
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where germ come from I mean all of this gave birth to our modern day more
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mechanistic our medicalized form of birth and where I think we need to go is
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to understand how do we interweave the spirit essence of our s
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with the scientific advancements that we have and we can it’s it’s very
easy we
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just have to recognize and educate our staff you know our medical
professionals our parents even who have
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forgotten you know how sacred we really are and what nature needs in order
to
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thrive and so maybe that’s what we’re going to talk a little bit about
today is is is how how we can do that but
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right now for sure we have people all over the world I would say everyone
has experienced more than
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just the simple birth trauma of the hero’s journey coming into this world
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but they have to overcome much more with the way we handle babies with the
way we
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um issue medication and painkillers and how we assist births and even our
actual
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Consciousness how a lot of times when the medical staff is working with a
family they’re really busy with their
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own lives or their own to-do list and it’s they’re not dropping into a space
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that’s in their heart you know they’re coming to it from their mind and
it’s simple things that
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we can teach people and and and when they do you’re driving connection
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heartfelt connection between the person that you’re caring for and then the
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family who’s receiving the care and there’s just so much that you know
flourishes and Blossoms and comes to
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life when we have this heartfelt connection with the people that we serve
in the healthcare
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industry it’s an amazing journey for a baby to come into this world yeah and
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even when babuji Maharaj one our Grandmasters from heartfulness he
describes birth as a
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separation the soul feels separated and the entire life the heartfulness
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practices what we have enable us to walk the journey towards a source back
from
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where we have come and here you are also saying that this this is a
separation
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and it is very sacred we have to treat birth and the environment around the
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baby in a very sacred way as a developmental therapist which
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my background is I’ve been practicing and I was looking at children who are
born out of
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problems who have undergone trauma like for us therapists my if you ask me
about
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a couple of years back for me the definition of trauma would have been
C-section baby did not cry immediately
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at Birth uh the mother had some problems so this was you know the the red
flags
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which we see which we really see as developmental therapist but now having
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walked the way into pre and atal education and again as you said and as
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in India we treat the womb garha is a place where the soul or the
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Consciousness evolves so when this journey has been so sacred uh it comes
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to my mind that how can we Define birth trauma in the bracket or in in the
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dimension of free and perinatal psychology that’s such a wonderful question
and I think what you just
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stated one of the key principles of
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this bird psychology recognizes that babies are
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conscious yes and so we we kind of science has it a little bit backwards or
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has in the last few hundred years um they thought that babies didn’t have
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Consciousness you know that Consciousness comes from the brain development
and since babies are so
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underdeveloped and they need a lot of Developmental time that Consciousness
is
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something that emerges you know almost as a hierarchal development of the
brain
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but what you know Mystics and spiritual gurus and teachers you know for eons
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have known and and probably a lot of people come to know through their own
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life’s journey in this remembering right remembering who you are where you
came
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from is that Consciousness is
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infinite it doesn’t have a start or a stop and the womb space this Gara that
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you’re talking about is where this Divine spark an individual can
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individuate you know from this field this unified field of Consciousness and
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then come to experience Consciousness separate from this unified field and
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that’s how you know we we all have our own our Soul’s path our Soul’s
Journey our purpose here in life and our own
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unique gifts so babies are they have Consciousness before they’re even
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conceived you know these we we work all the time with clients and and
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communicating with Spirit babies communicating with babies while in the
womb and of course we have adults you
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know the whole birth psychology itself has a long track record of doing
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regression therapy iies with adults who remember their time in W in the
womb and
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when you can heal any kind of trauma or let’s say a conditional force that
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happened they they go on to thrive because again these experiences in the
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beginning of Life like you said earlier in the introduction our earliest
experiences are what makes the
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hierarchal brain right and what makes our belief system and and how we
interact with the world so
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so that I would birth psychology believes since babies are conscious that
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trauma really is when we don’t recognize this that we don’t recognize that
babies
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are of their own volition initiating birth and that we are really the
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Servants of babies babies are should be treated like royalty
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and even the mother often times you know my job is to educate mothers these
days who haven’t
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been brought up in the traditional sense of how women used to do in ancient
and
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Indigenous times um are indigenous cultures that they are giving up a piece
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of themsel for the baby to come in and it’s a dance it’s very much a Dynamic
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dance between the mother and the baby and when a mother can
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listen at the level of the heart at the level of the soul to her baby she
will
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take a second seat and then the baby knows what to do you know nature knows
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what to do if we can really trust and connect in that so from the standpoint
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of birth psychology trauma is when this Bond between a mother and a baby is
not
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recognized as a a Duo you know with with
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deep Consciousness and in today’s world you know often times women are
women are
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not given the agency to birth they are um you know assisted by the staff or
the
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doctor and the doctor does the birth that’s that’s completely you know out
of
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order and that in in of itself causes trauma and it enables our disempowers
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our children from their own independence and their sense of accomplishment
and
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how they come into the world so there’s a lot of interventions that are you
know take place today that Rob children of
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this and then of course you know you see the world where it is today and a
lot of
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the psychological or mental um illnesses and lack of Health this all
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starts from birth and our relationship with how we come in and how
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we are designed so that I hope answers your question about from the
standpoint of birth psychology what we consider
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trauma absolutely and as a practicing developmental therapist I see lot of
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kids who have autism who have the attention deficit and hyperactive
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disorders children who come to me with sensory processing disorders
essentially
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and that aroused my interest to do the ppna that I wanted to look beyond
what I
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saw at this level I knew that the roots of what I’m seeing now did not
exist now
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it was somewhere as you said when the mother and the father even decided or
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not decided to have a child both ways so sometimes it is an accident that
they
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come to me with and they say okay we didn’t plan the conception so not
planning the conception is again not
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planning the journey for your baby and it’s a very sacred journey and the
bond
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which the parents share when they even think and that’s what even Dai says
that
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it is not about after you conceive it is all about your attitude at the
time of
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conception and before conception so prepare the environment as a mother as a
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father as a family becomes essential if we want to walk into a new world we
see
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that the world has so many um challenges with children and with
relationships as
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we look around and if we want to change the world we really need to change
the bond which the mother father and
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families have with the babies to come in so how do you uh look at this and
what
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are the key benefits of fostering a very strong baby and mother born in very
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early not even mother say I did I did some Garba sscar I tried connecting to
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the baby and talking to the baby but I did that did I give the space to the
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baby to come back to me and connect back so over to you well this is a big
question and you
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brought up really deep topics but let’s see if we can approach this from um
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dodgy I love when he says it’s all about the attitude when you
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conceive and I study hermetics you know this is one of the things that I’ve
been
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fascinated with for the last decade and it it guides um my journey through
this
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life and in the Hermetic um standpoint when we think of Worth to be worthy
it
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actually it means to be prepared and if we go back to this
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saying that you know one of my teachers in cranial sacral therapy John
chitty
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who’s now passed but he you know said that babies are
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royalty and so if you have the king or queen coming to your home right what
are
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you going to do I mean even now like in I live in the United States if the
president you know comes by there’s a
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whole Entourage of you know Secret Service protocols I mean there’s just
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like you can’t even imagine how much preparation and strategy that goes into
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every move that the president makes now do we
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do this for babies I think not you know I even look
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at my own Journey when and how I got pregnant um I wasn’t planning on being
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pregnant I wasn’t even married and I you know in the birth psychology world
there’s a whole imprint
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you know this book that you brought up at the very beginning the body keeps
the score um I didn’t know if I could keep
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the child so there was this abortion ideation and if if we’re saying that a
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soul is conscious and that they can feel the energy and every thought and
emotion
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that’s inside of you because it’s fed to them not only through
neuropeptides you
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know what Candace per dubbed molecules of emotion but there’s an energetic
sense
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to it as well they how would they feel their
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selfworth the first very first threshold of initiation or right of passage
that
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any child has to cross is am I welcome am I
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loved am I safe in this world so these are huge imprints that we
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deal with all the time and and you mentioned you know autism and you know
hyp you know ADHD and there’s so many
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things that are happening to our children you know by the age of 12 in the
United States of America most
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children 60% of children are on some form of medication
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and the majority of that is for you know asthma so we don’t we don’t even
consider that like a
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medication but technically it is because it you know asthma is an irritant
you
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know the lungs are inflamed and this comes from a nervous system
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that a baby has gone through so much Shock
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Trauma that now they’re you know what they’re displaying to the world are
there is the inside world that they
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carry within and so a child that has autism
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not only has you know probably between ultrasounds because if we think about
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babies the the morphogenetic field that a baby develops in is influenced by
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sound and every vibration that we put in and around a mother whether it’s
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electromagnetic fields from 5G you know cell phone all the way to
ultrasound you
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know at the hospital which are constant you know very much part of the
whole protocol because we don’t trust you know
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the body’s ability to to grow babies and because women have so many um risk
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factors these days so there’s a lot of monitoring and interventions that
are used and sometimes unnecessarily but at
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this point where we are in our world you know necessary but it’s
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toxic it’s toxic to their field and it in infuences the
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field and it’s so you’re we’re in a whole world of mess because they say
I’ve even heard
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people you know gut doctors say that by 2035 85% of children will be some
form
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on the spectrum of autism that’s wild that’s scary could you imagine our
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Workforce what the you know gross dtic domestic product or whatever the
output
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of any country is with the population largely
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debilitated so I mean these it brings up really important questions of how
do we connect at a soul level at
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a heart level from the very beginning and that is we have to prepare better
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how we bring children into the world and you know put most all of our
resources
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and it’s been done in countries across the world now you Denmark’s a great
example um are Indian the Scandinavian
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countries they you know they Iceland for instance they put the majority of
their
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resources into the youngest population and by doing so they have people of
good
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health and right now you know in the United States where I live we spend
most of our healthc care money on the elderly
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population instead of investing in in Early Child Development and education
systems
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or even birthing so these you you brought up really great questions I hope
I answered
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it to some degree So when you say that you need to Foster the connection
and when you
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really need to look at how the mother and baby connect with each other U and
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still without you know like even when I have seen my little one Aliza
coming in
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and we had uh a little bit of uh teething issues in the beginning how can
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how does one recognize signs of the PTSD in infants and even mothers because
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sometimes mothers don’t know women don’t know that they are having this
problem
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or they don’t even know that their baby would be having such a problem it’s
a problem of connectivity it’s a problem
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of sometimes they feel overwhelmed sometimes they have recently
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I had uh um I’m giving sessions meditation sessions artfulness
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meditation sessions to a mother of a 4mon old uh who had had issues when
when
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the baby was born and she doesn’t know what to do with the thoughts so in
what way would these Expressions be seen or
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felt wow well another big question
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but babies communicate to us with their bodies they communicate to us with
their
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cries and when I I see it all the time
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that people are just not aware they’re not educated that again babies are
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conscious and sentient and that they have emotions and yeah maybe they’re
the most
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basic emotions but it it’s they’re the key
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emotions am I safe am I loved you know can I do I have the right to have
needs
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and have somebody care for me do I have the right to feel supported these
are
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these are all things that we cover you know in the in the course that you
took about everyone has Universal emotional
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needs and Society has it that babies they they don’t you know they’re not
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conscious so for instance when a baby has a colic constantly you know you’ll
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hear maybe they have a tummy ache or maybe they’re just a fussy baby well
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that baby is trying to tell you about its birth story about what happened
to it in the
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womb and you know our fast-paced life is not
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attuned to the sacredness or the Holiness of human development so the first
thing that you
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can do in order to connect more is connect with yourself number one you
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know connect with yourself through mindfulness practice Mind Body practices
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slowing down the easiest thing is to just breathe we don’t even consciously
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breathe so if we can consciously breathe it three breaths three deep breaths
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resets the nervous system and when a mother is feeling a little
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overwhelmed she can let her baby no I’m feeling overwhelmed right now
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just like as if they’re a real person and they understand her because they
do and and say you know I’m I’m overwhelmed
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right now but it this isn’t your fault this is just me right having my own
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personal feelings you can let that you can let that go and when you have
that
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kind of two-way conversation with your baby whether it’s in the womb whether
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it’s before it’s born or right after the born it takes it takes a lot of
anxiety
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off of Mother’s shoulders when they they recognize that this
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child understands them and really just wants to love
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them but I mean there’s we there’s a lot of Need For Education which is why
you
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know apaa exists and why we have these courses and why you have the courses
on
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heartfulness but we have a lot to cover and we need to educate ourselves on
how
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babies communicate right and what their cries mean because when a baby
cries it
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has a different type of cry you know for different needs and mothers can
come to
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understand what those cries are especially if we understand that babies are
usually if they’ve they’ve got
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physical needs and you’ve you’ve taken care of everything you’ve given it
food you’ve you know changed its diaper it’s
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in you know comfortable clothes or whatnot and it’s still crying then
there’s something emotional
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happening and we have to address the emotional needs of the baby and
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understand understanding that they have a story to tell and that usually
takes at this point you know time a therapist
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to help somebody translate how a baby is communicating but I Envision one
day
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that we have a world where mothers have returned to this understanding that
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birth matters and that the story that happened continues even after they’re
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born and that it takes time for them to heal from that trauma we mentioned
of
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the hero’s journey and all they want to do is share it with somebody and if
somebody’s there to listen and just look
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in their eyes and say oh man I see this this dent in your head like that
must
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have really hurt when you were coming out of me like wow and just giving it
kisses you know
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nice and warm loving kisses and holding their baby at the breast and
looking right into their eyes
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kind of like drinking them in these are all the ways that mothers can not
only help their own
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anxiety um but help help their baby as well and you mentioned about signs
you
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know how do we know that mothers are having postpartum depression or anxiety
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well it it’s there’s lack lack of sleep anytime you feel really frustrated
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and you’re just like overwhelmed and you have anger or you just don’t want
to deal with anything you just want to
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disappear these are all signs that you need more support and that is the
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biggest thing that we need to help with in the postpartum world is in old
times
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you know it it takes a village there’d be a circle of women around a mother
and
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they would mother the mother after she gave birth so she could just focus on
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recovering the outpouring of chi you know like her her life force when she
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gave that life and just focus on her baby and have this team of people
around
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her cooking cleaning doing you know very specific things to her body’s
rituals
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that are helping her restore her body and that for the large part doesn’t
even
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happen today you know our postpartum care is mostly to take your baby out of
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your home in the car to the doctor’s office to get a check on what their
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weight is and if you if you really want my opinion doctors shouldn’t be
making
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house calls to our our littlest po most
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vulnerable population you know like this so that mothers don’t have to
leave this
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sacred Hearth of their home in those first 40 days after birth because
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there’s so much disruption that can happen in the journey just the simple
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journey to go to the doctor’s office in those first few weeks so that it’s
again
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going back and realizing that this is royalty how do we treat
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royalty you know do we make the do we make the Royal people leave their
their Thrones
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and and go out by themselves in you know in the world to do what is
considered a
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mundane task I don’t know usually they have lots of servants
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to do mundane tasks for them hopefully that answers that
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question you’re putting all these things so beautifully and uh the puzzles
which
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our world is facing at present of why this behavior and why is my uh
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schoolgoing child not obedient or why is he more on screen uh I think all
these
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questions would be having answers or they wouldn’t come across as questions
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if we practice good pre and perinatal care and India did have does have a
good
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um good practices I remember when I gave birth to my baby
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that was about 34 years back I was my mother followed these she just put me
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into a room and though I was you know that time protesting that I don’t
want to be in that room so in India women are
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sent back to the moment you know that a woman is pregnant she’s sent back
to a mother’s house and she’s taken care of
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as you said like a Maharani like a queen and everything is taken care
everything is given to her and when the baby comes
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uh uh there is a lovely massage massure who comes and of course now I tell
them
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that massage is a language between the mother and baby but there’s nothing
kept
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back to take care of the baby and the mother but because of modern uh care
and
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modern science walking into the sphere of this um it it seems to be outdated
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you it’s called outdated practices no longer useful but now when we look at
36:58
how the minds have developed because of this so-called technology what we
have
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been using we have to turn back and walk the way and say yes what we were
doing
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to welcome our babies much before was a beautiful way of welcoming them and
making them feel wanted so that is
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something which is so illustrious what you’re talking about so there’s one
question which I have had and this is
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the scandall tets research and how do you think that has influenced the
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current understanding and treatment approaches for PTSD related to birth
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trauma oh man well I I love Kathleen Kindle tacket is brilliant
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I’ve you know heard her on a number of presentations and read some of her
books but she really understood that um in in
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in the United States the DSM you know we were treating postpartum or
post-traumatic stress disorder
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for people who were like you know veterans and then she started to realize
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when she was looking at um you know symptoms that women were showing from
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just breastfeeding struggling with breastfeeding just simple things and I
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remember from my own experience I I couldn’t breastfeed and it was so hard
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it was just heartbreaking because I didn’t understand how my body was
producing
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milk but I couldn’t my baby wouldn’t feed and it and it created so much
Havoc
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between my daughter and I well Kathleen and and I understand now like
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where her research was coming from when a mother isn’t able to breastfeed
or if
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that initial bond between the mother and baby is interrupted then there’s a
whole
38:54
Dynamo or do domino effect excuse excuse me of symptoms that can happen
between
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the baby and the mother and she looked at it and realized wait a second
this is
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just like PTSD whether they would be having flashbacks you know from their
birth
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they would be breaking out into sweats there would be um you know loss of
their
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thyroid for instance which is very common in women that are giving you know
birth these days um they would have
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anxiety or you know just their sleep patterns would be disrupted so then she
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started realizing wait a second there’s so much more happening to our
mothers that’s not even being
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diagnosed because I think that was you know her research
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showed how few women were actually getting even help or even voicing what
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was happening to them because of the way Society is set up it was that a
woman
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should just man up and deal with it and and and not really Express these
40:08
emotions that were happening internally to her even though we’re in these
nuclear family settings and oftentimes
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women giving birth as single parents you know there’s I mean that is
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a big deal in in the United States even in in the bipac community there
there’s
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lots of single parents and women just don’t have enough support so her just
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bringing that awareness and getting birth trauma into the DSM and
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recognizing that women do get PTSD um from birth and it even explained
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how I don’t know if you remember this but there was an out there was a
number of stories back in the 80s and 90s of
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women who would be um murdering their children
40:59
and it’s horrible to think of and of course society would you know
ostracize these women and shame them and be like
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how horrible but people didn’t actually think wait a second how did she get
into
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that psychosis to begin with this is a form of postpartum depression that’s
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stacked on a woman who’s probably had her own childhood trauma and lack of
emotional needs being met and she’s got
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risk factors going into to pregnancy that weren’t even being considered are
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analyzed during the intake and so then when you take a woman who’s for
instance
41:36
had sexual trauma or sexual abuse or any kind of abuse or let’s just say
poverty has
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grown up in poverty and has scarcity imprints and then you they get pregnant
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and there’s a whole hormonal Cascade that happens that creates a lot of
imbalances because their nervous system
41:56
is already basically like a junkie you know they’re addicts to cortisol and
stress hormones
42:04
and they just don’t have enough resilience in their body to take on the a
human being and carry the weight and
42:11
the needs of another human being so then you stack that on their nervous
system
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and you expect them to be like sane people in society that are not only
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sayane but contributing in beautiful ways I don’t think so so then you add a
42:28
woman that not only has you know those risk factors but then they have more
than one
42:33
child and they’re taking care of multiple children I don’t most people
who’ve
42:38
listen here if you’ve gone to an early daycare center and been around the
needs in an
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early daycare center I’m like I admire Early Child Care providers so much
42:53
because of what they deal with day in and day out on their ner n systems and
42:59
in today’s world we have women who are working full-time jobs they’re being
43:04
wives and they’re being mothers and that those are huge jobs on
43:12
any one person and then you put it in the environment where they’re not
doing it with a village they’re doing it on their
43:19
own this is why we are in the world that we are today you know people
stress is
43:25
the number one most toxic detrimental effect that you can
43:32
have during pregnancy and they’ve proven it you know they’ve they’ve shown
it now with tons of scientific evidence that
43:40
stress hormones create mental illness and obesity and all sorts of health
43:46
problems um and you see that with the ace the ace study that’s presented in
you know the for those who you know is
43:53
adverse childhood experiences that was presented by Kaiser anente out of
43:58
California but they they started to map that wait a second people with
health issues had
44:06
trauma in their earliest childhood and usually and this is what we’re
trying to wake the world up to that this trauma
44:13
started to just their moms being stressed out while they were growing in the
44:20
womb so Kathleen Kindle tacket did a world of I mean just the veil so for to
44:29
the scientific community and to psychologists that wait a second wake up
you know our most vulnerable population
44:36
babies who go on to grow grow up to be adults are starting out in this world
44:42
with women who with mothers who aren’t supported and have a lot on their
nervous
44:47
system so I think it’s time that we as professionals start building
communities
44:55
because we know it takes a Village to raise a child needless to say and we
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need so many beautiful hearts beautiful souls taken care of and we need a
45:07
complete Community shift a a mind shift happening so I’m merging the next
two
45:13
thoughts which are coming to me one from your practices um as a
professional how
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do you integrate modalities like the cranos sacral therapy the somatic
45:25
experience and the Mind Body Spirit awareness and contribute this to the
45:30
recovery from birth trauma and what evidence supports their effectiveness
45:35
and of course after this I think you dwell with this and then we can talk
of how we go now going to work together as
45:42
apaa and heartfulness to carry the spirit forward yes well there’s a whole
birth or
45:50
emerence if you will of um Body Mind Spirit therapy where and you you showed
45:58
the book at the beginning you know the body keeps the score and so we’re
we’re catching up with what you know Mystics
46:04
and esoteric teachings have known for thousands of years is that the body is
46:12
the microcosm of the macrocosm you know
46:17
and everything that happens um in the mind manifests in the
46:23
body and vice versa so when you treat the whole
46:30
being you have to treat the body and the mind and a lot of the a lot of the
help
46:37
that’s out there for people in the last you know few decades has been
cognitive
46:43
therapy or you know even that therapy didn’t exist you know we we grew up
in this Victorian age you know everyone
46:51
everyone in this on this globe has been through some sort of colonization
46:56
largely influenced by um European monarchies and that that whole
47:06
infrastructure of patriarchal hierarchy and how do we learn and and how we
want
47:13
children to be um little adults even though their brains they don’t develop
47:19
that way so we now the Neuroscience is showing us how we need nurture
47:27
first and foremost in order to have these higher skills of to be to be
47:34
resilient or to to to be in control or regulated of our emotions and that
takes
47:40
30 some years and that takes so much longer than
47:45
we expect you know a five-year-old to sit in a classroom and and you know
behave when their job is to move and to
47:54
explore right so somatic based therapies which means body
48:01
right is when we when we take this approach that they the mind and the body
48:06
are one so I cranial sacral therapy is a great you know example that’s what
I
48:14
started in even though I do a lot with um weaving psychology psychosomatic
48:20
therapy and educating parents and understanding the metaphysics you know
48:25
of how how we come into de form but cranial sacral therapy is um a very
48:31
gentle approach that is used um I you know anybody should use it I think you
48:37
should be getting cranial sacral therapy even before you plan on getting
pregnant because it helps empty your nervous
48:44
system it helps you you know return to this what do we call zero point
field or
48:50
blueprint on a daily basis it’s just like heartfulness if you do a m you
know uh a
48:59
meditation if you um teach a person how to reflect on their day and take you
49:07
know regular breaks of Mind Body you know exercises
49:12
of just breathing that we can slow our nervous systems down and be more in
rhythm with
49:19
how we’re designed more in rhythm with nature for instance but cranial
sacral
49:24
therapy is one example um I know now we have biof feedback we have so many
49:32
different psychosomatic therapies or energetic modalities that help people
49:38
enter into these more conscious states of being right when they’re open and
49:45
they’re curious and they’re they’re connected to their heart instead of
walking around just
49:50
with this you know big brain up here
49:58
which develops the first in in the baby it’s the first sign of life is that
your
50:03
heart is beating yes yes and it and it doesn’t even start
50:09
with the heart it starts with the blood cells it’s wild the blood cells
have an electrical current field around them
50:16
there’s an energy field um and you know that’s what Quantum this is a
really cool time and
50:22
age to be alive because we have quantum physics that is now entering in
play with the the therapeutic modalities that
50:30
we have for people to um return within to
50:35
themselves that’s it like I think the best way that we can deal with what we
50:41
have at hand today is to go within to go inside of ourselves to
50:47
learn who we really are to know thyself right to know what’s inside what
matters
50:53
to us and the more we do it the more more creative the more productive will
50:59
be the more I mean it’s it’s it’s always a paradox to think go within and
you’ll learn more about the external
51:06
world that’s the nature of it though isn’t it absolutely I’m so I’m sure uh
beloved
51:13
Dai would be happy to hear and listen to what you’re saying because that’s
what
51:18
he keeps telling people every single day every single moment look within
yourselves and practices of medit ation
51:27
of cleansing what we do in the evening throwing out whatever we have taken
in
51:33
during the day and saying that whatever is not required for my spiritual uh
51:38
growth is going away from my system so these two practices really really
51:44
compliment each other and the connect which we do through our prayer this
is a wonderful sort of three pillars of
51:52
practice which we have and we are giving this to the world for free we
don’t charge for the practices I know I think
51:59
that’s amazing by the way I love everything about the heartfulness
Institute and we are looking forward to
52:07
the new uh chapter which we are going to build in and weave in for the
parents
52:12
and the babies to come here for this side of the world that is the pre and
perinatal education and psychology and
52:20
heartfulness Institute coming together for a new chapter beginning and how
do
52:25
you look at it do do you feel that the heartfulness practices also could be
weaved into these programs and help
52:32
prevent the birth trauma which exists today oh my gosh
52:38
yes I am so excited about interweaving these two um especially since we’re
in
52:47
we’re in the process right now of upgrading or updating our signature
course the one that you took the ppne
52:54
course which you know people can find through our website birth
psychology.com
53:00
and this new addition that we’re we have released is about bringing the
body mind
53:08
awareness practices and you don’t have to be a therapist you don’t have to
be a
53:14
psychologist or some Academia person in order to um Embrace these principles
53:22
right so this is what I love about interweaving heartfulness is because
anybody can do it everybody should be
53:29
doing it on a daily basis I mean in the United States we have the heart math
53:34
Institute and they’re showing us all the time about the benefits to our
health for give you know for creating brain
53:41
heart coherence and this is what heartfulness is it’s about brain heart
coherence it’s
53:48
about connecting the mind and the body the macrocosm and the microcosm and
and
53:54
it’s about going within because we all all have the
53:59
answers within us you know we’re in a fractal Universe right so it’s all
about
54:06
returning to our heart and I think we um as a population right now a lot of
54:13
our world problems would be solved if people on this planet turned more
54:19
towards their heart because we’ve been injured you know over these
thousands of years there’s lots of distrust there and
54:26
connection and fear but you can create for your own experience the moment
you
54:32
drop into your heart in meditation or even just through breathing or even
just
54:38
bringing your mind into your heart and listening to your heartbeat you
settle in your body and
54:45
you experience a bit of what I call God you know you experience the Divine
54:53
and that’s what it’s really all about that’s what we’re here to do we’re
here to experience the Divine in our physical
54:58
bodies with you know our our senses to be able to experience this beautiful
55:04
world that we live in so I’m looking forward to the class it’s going to
make everything more
55:10
beautiful yes and I look forward to having you in for many more sessions I
55:17
know you’re very busy with apaa and apaa for viewers who don’t know what
they are
55:22
doing they do have they are also uh serving the community in various ways
55:29
they have Mondays I think you can talk about the Mondays what you’ll have
so that people be more than happy to
55:35
register for the talks and there are a hold of topics which are there on
the website we as pre and perinat Educators
55:43
want to help out parents want to help out mothers to be and mothers who are
55:48
and babies to help develop a connection with their own selves so feel free I
55:54
think if you can talk a little bit of apaa Mondays and apaa Wednesdays so
that
55:59
people would understand how they can connect with apaa oh yes I I appreciate
56:04
that sneal this is great Apple live is um a weekly event that we do and
because
56:11
you’re if you’re in India and we do it in the United States and it doesn’t
jive with your you know your life schedule
56:18
they are recorded and through our membership which is you know a very
56:23
nominal fee you can hear these recordings are join in live but they’re
56:29
from they’re from all sorts of people from different walks of life that are
56:34
talking about birth psychology and how it impacted their life um for healing
56:41
for helping their children so it is it’s a tremendous resource for parents
even
56:46
and professionals plenty of resources on our website we have courses that
are
56:52
also designed for parents that are um some of them document M mentaries to
learn about you know what happens to a
57:00
baby in the womb how a parent could be more connected with their child um
there
57:08
are all sorts of classes that maybe we even have more conversations on this
57:14
stream shal but learning how babies communicate with us because that’s a
57:19
whole that’s a whole world of Discovery you’ve done classes you know with
some of our Pioneers in in that realm as well
57:26
and that’s fascinating just to see how a baby May hold its head or you know
make gestures with his hands or you know how
57:33
it hold its body tells a story and it helps simplify a parent life because
57:38
wouldn’t we all want to know what’s going on in our in our baby’s brains
during that time you’re like what what
57:44
do you need and they can’t you know articulate it verbally like us um so
57:51
there’s there’s tremendous amount of resources on our website and lots of
free um lots of free resources and even
57:58
courses that are not that expensive and I love the course that we’re going
to be releasing in the New Year
58:04
2025 because that will be um an interweaving of practices you know that
58:10
you can do within your body to attune to your body to know how to care for
it and
58:16
in turn recognize the emotional spiritual psychological needs of your
58:22
children so we got a lot to do shal yes absolutely I’m looking forward to it
58:28
just bracing forward to thank you I think this this particular discussion a
58:35
small talk which we have had shared for the last few minutes would be a
source of inspiration for many and would be a
58:42
changing point for how babies come into the world this side of the world we
in
58:48
heartfulness are making attempts through our programs beautiful Beginnings
which is meant for couples who want to have
58:54
babies and then is Diva janani which also helps parents couples who are
struggling to have babies and we have
59:02
wow also which is a relationship program all these programs are now going
to be
59:08
offered and in togetherness with apaa in their program so the uh what Dai
says
59:15
getting the world together is happening and even in this field so thank you
so
59:20
much Christiana for coming and I look forward to you other programs as thank
59:27
you thank you